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GoingMyWay said:
tjbnwi said:
A southside of Chicago thing.

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Tom

What do you call that kind of cake??

Is Chicago thin crust pizza sometimes called tavern style pizza?

The cake is a Chicago Atomic Cake (again a south side thing, most from the other areas have no clue it exists). When mom past away I took her cookbook. Tucked in a pocket was this hand written recipe with no directions. My guess is she got it from a bakery I recall her going to a couple of times to get an Atomic Cake (mom was a great baker) 65ish years ago. Took me 9 months to get the recipe and process worked out.

Called tavern style everywhere but Chicago, to us it’s a thin. Creating the pizza crust, sauce and sausage took about 2 months to get it right. I knew I finally got it when my wife got home and said it smells like Vito & Nick’s in here (her favorite pizza).

Tom
 
Richard/RMW said:
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member] Tom how long/how did you bake that?

I've wanted to try using raw sausage on pizza, but the OONI cooks it so fast I've been afraid that the meat wouldn't cook fully. This was last weekend, total time ~150 seconds:

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I didn't get the stone hot enough relative to the flame, in a perfect world the char would have been darker for that level of crust burn and it would have taken closer to 90-120 seconds.

I'd like to try Chicago style crust.

RMW

16 minutes in a 500º oven on a pizza stone.

This thin cured crust does not work, it hits the 900º stone and scorches to much.

I have a different crust and sauce for the Onni, unless you precook the sausage, as you mentioned sausage is not doable in the Onni.

Tom
 
To me, Chicago thin crust isn't right unless it's square-cut.  I wish I could remember the name of the place my grandparents took us all the time in the Norridge area, but those are some of my earliest and best memories of cracker-thin square-cut pizza.

I still love Lou's, too, though.
 
tjbnwi said:
GoingMyWay said:
tjbnwi said:
A southside of Chicago thing.

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Tom

What do you call that kind of cake??

Is Chicago thin crust pizza sometimes called tavern style pizza?

The cake is a Chicago Atomic Cake (again a south side thing, most from the other areas have no clue it exists). When mom past away I took her cookbook. Tucked in a pocket was this hand written recipe with no directions. My guess is she got it from a bakery I recall her going to a couple of times to get an Atomic Cake (mom was a great baker) 65ish years ago. Took me 9 months to get the recipe and process worked out.

Called tavern style everywhere but Chicago, to us it’s a thin. Creating the pizza crust, sauce and sausage took about 2 months to get it right. I knew I finally got it when my wife got home and said it smells like Vito & Nick’s in here (her favorite pizza).

Tom

Atomic cake! Love them - we get them once in a while from Orland Park Bakery in Illinois. Any chance you would share the recipe? - Thanks, Mike
 
Mike Goetzke said:
tjbnwi said:
GoingMyWay said:
tjbnwi said:
A southside of Chicago thing.

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Tom

What do you call that kind of cake??

Is Chicago thin crust pizza sometimes called tavern style pizza?

The cake is a Chicago Atomic Cake (again a south side thing, most from the other areas have no clue it exists). When mom past away I took her cookbook. Tucked in a pocket was this hand written recipe with no directions. My guess is she got it from a bakery I recall her going to a couple of times to get an Atomic Cake (mom was a great baker) 65ish years ago. Took me 9 months to get the recipe and process worked out.

Called tavern style everywhere but Chicago, to us it’s a thin. Creating the pizza crust, sauce and sausage took about 2 months to get it right. I knew I finally got it when my wife got home and said it smells like Vito & Nick’s in here (her favorite pizza).

Tom

Atomic cake! Love them - we get them once in a while from Orland Park Bakery in Illinois. Any chance you would share the recipe? - Thanks, Mike

Sorry for the delay Mike, I just saw this. I was told in another group the Orland Bakery cake is excellent, but not a true Atomic Cake. If you get a chance describe it for me (or I’ll have to buy one next time I get back to Chicago)

Next up I’m going to attempt to recreate the Dresslers Whipped Cream Cake.

Fun fact  Dresslers bakery was 10 blocks north of my father’s business. I can still smell the aroma.

I’m posting this from my phone. I’ll look over the copy/paste latter to see if it dropped anything. This recipe makes 2 complete cakes. I used ganache for the chocolate top layer because I do not like sweetened condensed milk, the original top layer is included at the end.

You’ll need to set aside about 10 hours from start to finish. Make sure you refrigerate this at least 2 hours before serving to set the layers/assembly.

Chicago Atomic Cake

Oven set to 350º

Banana sponge;

240 grams (2 cups) all purpose flour
3 grams (1/2 tsp) salt)
6 grams (1 tsp) baking soda
250 grams (1-1/4 cups) sugar
113 grams (1/2 cup) unsalted butter softened
1 tsp vanilla
2 eggs room temperature
3 ripe (not over ripe) bananas mashed
3/4 cup buttermilk room temperature

Combine flour, salt, baking soda, whisk, set aside.
Mash bananas
Cream sugar and butter, add vanilla, add eggs one at a time, combine well, scrape bowl as needed

Set mixer to low, (leave the mixer on its lowest setting to avoid over mixing) add 1/3rd of dry ingredients, mix well, scrape as needed, add 1/2 of the buttermilk, mix well, scrape as needed, add 1/3rd of the dry ingredients, mix well, scrape as needed, add rest of buttermilk, mix well, scrape as needed, add last 1/3rd of dry ingredients, mix well, scrape as needed.

Prepare 2-9” cake pans, parchment round on bottom, baking spray on sides.
This is a light color sponge, cake bands should not be necessary
Bake time should be 25-30 minutes. Start checking at 20 minutes.
Cake tester or toothpick should come out clean, the sponge should begin to pull away from the sides of the pan.

Chocolate sponge;

Preheat oven 350º (360º if you use cake bands)

84 grams (1 cup) unsweetened cocoa powder
240 grams (2 cups) all purpose flour
3 grams (1/2 tsp) baking soda
3 grams (1/2 tsp) baking powder
6 grams (1 tsp) salt
3 eggs room temperature
1 egg yoke room temperature
169 grams unsalted butter (3/4 cup) softened butter
400 grams (2 cups) sugar
1-1/4 cups of milk
2 teaspoons vanilla
1/4 teaspoon expresso powder (optional)

Strain cocoa powder, combine with flour, baking soda, baking powder, salt, (espresso powder), set aside.
Cream butter and sugar, add eggs one at a time, mix well after each addition, scrape bowl as needed, add egg yoke, mix well, scrape as needed.
Set mixer to low (leave mixer on lowest setting to avoid over mixing) add 1/3 dry ingredients, combine, add 1/2 milk, scrape, add 1/3 dry ingredients, mix, scrape bowl, add balance of milk, mix, scrape bowl, add final dry ingredients, scrape, mix.

Prepare 2-9” cake pans, parchment bottom, spray sides.
Bake time, 30 -35 minutes. Start checking at 25 minutes cake tester or tooth pick should come out clean. Sides should pull away from pan.
Allow to cool in pan 20-25 minutes, this sponge will be very fragile. The center may collapse. 
Turn out onto cooling rack, allow to cool 60 minutes.
Plastic wrap, foil wrap. Place in freezer.

Yellow cake sponge;

Pre-heat oven 350º

300 grams (2-1/2 cups) all purpose flour
13 grams (2-1/2 tsp) baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
169 grams (3/4 cup) unsalted butter, room temperature
332 grams (1-2/3 cups) sugar
3 eggs room temperature
1 egg yoke room temperature
1-1/2 tsp vanilla
1 cup milk

Whisk together flour, baking powder and salt, set aside
Cream together butter and sugar. Add eggs one at a time, mix well prior to each addition, add egg yoke, mix in vanilla.
Set mix on low, add 1/3 flour mixture, mix well scrape bowl as needed, add 1/2 of the milk, mix, scrape as needed, add 1/3 flour mixture, mix, scrape bowl as needed, add the rest of the milk, mix, scrape as needed, add the rest of the flour mixture, mix, scrape bowl as needed.

Prepare 2 9” cake pans, parchment bottom, spray sides. These are light color cakes, you probably do not need cake bands.
Divide batter equally into prepared pans.
Bake 20-25 minutes.
Cool on racks for 10 minutes, turn out onto cooling racks. Allow to cool completely.
Plastic wrap, foil wrap, place in freezer.

Bavarian cream;

8 grams (1/2 tbs) unflavored gelatin
2 tbs cold water
1 egg yoke
23 grams (1-1/2 tbs) sugar
1/2 cup 1/2 & 1/2
1/2 cup heavy cream

Combine gelatin and water, set aside to bloom.
Mix until frothy egg yoke and sugar.
Heat 1/2 & 1/2 on low until boil.
Temper egg mixture with hot 1/2 & 1/2
Add egg mixture to 1/2 & 1/2.
Boil for 3 minutes.
Remove from heat, fold in gelatin, set aside to cool.
Whip cream to stiff peaks, gently fold the whipped cream into cool custard.
Cover with plastic that is in intimate contact with the custard, refrigerate at least 1 hour.

Strawberry glaze;

450 grams (1 pound) strawberries divided
225 grams (1/2 pound) strawberries (the other 225 grams is used during assembly)
300 grams (1-1/2 cups) sugar
2 tbs lemon juice

Hull and slice strawberries.
Place sugar and strawberries in heavy bottom pot, add lemon juice.
Using a stick blender emulsify.
Boil until reduced ~50%.
Allow to cool, transfer to bowl, refrigerate.

*Chocolate ganache (this is a major deviation from the original see below);

226 grams (8 ounces) semi-sweet chocolate baking bars
1 cup heavy cream

Chop chocolate very fine, place in heat proof bowl
Simmer (do not boil) cream
Add cream to chocolate, let sit 2 minutes, gently stir with silicone spatula.
Avoid getting any water in the chocolate, a single drop will seize the chocolate.
Allow to cool at room temperature for 2 hours.

3 cups heavy whipping cream divided (you may only need 2 cups).
3 tbs of powdered sugar divided (you may only need 2 tbs).
3 tsps vanilla divided  (you may only need 2 tsps).

Place 1 cup heavy whipping cream in cold mixer bowl, add 1 tbs powdered sugar, 1 tsp vanilla, whip to stiff peaks.

Assembly;

Remove sponges from freezer, carefully unwrap. Save the foil for future use.

Banana fill;
Using a cake rotator, place banana sponge on cake circle on the rotator.
Pipe a ring of whipped cream ~1/4” in from the  rim, approximately 1” high 3/4” wide.
Spread a thin layer of Bavarian cream inside the whipped cream ring.
Slice 2 bananas (do not slice ahead of time they will start to turn black) ~3/4” thick, place on cream layer.
Place the balance of Bavarian cream on the bananas spread evenly.
Place chocolate sponge, press onto banana layer.
Refrigerate for ~30 minutes to set.

Strawberry fill;
Remove the strawberry glaze from refrigerator.
Hull balance (225 grams) of strawberries, slice ~3/4” thick.
Remove banana/chocolate sponge from refrigerator, place on cake rotator.
Pipe a ring of whipped cream ~1/4” in from the  rim, approximately 1” high 3/4” wide.
Spread a thin layer of strawberry glaze inside the whipped cream ring. 
Arrange the sliced strawberries inside the whipped cream ring.
Place yellow cake sponge on top of strawberries. Gently press in place.
Place assembly in refrigerator to set, ~1/2 hour.

Ganache layer;
Remove assembly from refrigerator place on rotator.
Pipe a ring of whipped cream ~1/4” in from the  rim, approximately 1/4” high 3/4” wide.
*Pour/spread the ganache inside the whipped cream ring.
*Optional, whip the ganache, pipe inside whipped cream ring.
Place in refrigerator to set for ~30 minutes.

Whipped cream crown;
Pipe whipped cream onto the ganache layer.

Pin the cake to the cake circle with wood skewers or wrap with cake film.

Refrigerate at least 2 hours before serving to set layers.

*Original chocolate topping;

3/4 cup sweetened condensed milk
1/2 cup semisweet chocolate chips
1 tablespoon butter

Combine ingredients in double boiler, stirring constantly, heat until chips are melted and mixture is smooth.

Tom

 
From what I understand, real Chicago thin crust pizza is different from what is commonly called Tavern style primarily in the fact that as Tom did, it is docked (tiny holes punched into the dough with either a fork or a docker) and then left to cure (partially dry out).  It is also traditionally rolled with a rolling pin to get it to such a uniform thin crust - I believe.

On my wishlist to try whereas pizza is one of the foods that I can tolerate well and I crave.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
From what I understand, real Chicago thin crust pizza is different from what is commonly called Tavern style primarily in the fact that as Tom did, it is docked (tiny holes punched into the dough with either a fork or a docker) and then left to cure (partially dry out).  It is also traditionally rolled with a rolling pin to get it to such a uniform thin crust - I believe.

On my wishlist to try whereas pizza is one of the foods that I can tolerate well and I crave.

Peter

You are correct, the crust for a "tavern pizza" is not docked and cured. I believe due to time they skip these steps. Who wants to wait 24 hours for their pizza???

Yes, it is rolled not tossed.

I have two differnt dockers, one for pie crust, one for pizza crust. Go figure, can't have enough tools right???

Two other things that make a Chicago thin unique are, the "toppings" (no pineapple allowed, this and ketchup on a hotdog are punishable by death in Chicago) are placed under the cheese, and as noted above, it is cut into squares using a rocker, no wheels allowed....

To keep this Festool related....

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Another Chicago favorite...

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The chocolate chip cookie I developed for my bride. Took year to get it right.

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Michael Kellough said:
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member]  That looks like a Lace Cookie with chips. Any similarity?

The only similarity is you can see through them. Lae cookies are crisp through out.

My wifes requests are, a chocolate chip cookie that is very thin, a crisp rim, soft chewy center. The last two were the what took so long to create. If you bend/break the cookie you'll get a slight snap as the outer edge breaks, but the center will bend and hold together. The center will stay soft about 5 days if the cookies are left out. They are delicious right out of the oven.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
Michael Kellough said:
[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member]  That looks like a Lace Cookie with chips. Any similarity?

The only similarity is you can see through them. Lae cookies are crisp through out.

My wifes requests are, a chocolate chip cookie that is very thin, a crisp rim, soft chewy center. The last two were the what took so long to create. If you bend/break the cookie you'll get a slight snap as the outer edge breaks, but the center will bend and hold together. The center will stay soft about 5 days if the cookies are left out. They are delicious right out of the oven.

Tom

No wonder it took a while to develop. Sounds very special.
 
Peter Halle said:
From what I understand, real Chicago thin crust pizza is different from what is commonly called Tavern style primarily in the fact that as Tom did, it is docked (tiny holes punched into the dough with either a fork or a docker) and then left to cure (partially dry out).  It is also traditionally rolled with a rolling pin to get it to such a uniform thin crust - I believe.

On my wishlist to try whereas pizza is one of the foods that I can tolerate well and I crave.

Peter

I'm going to try this recipe, seems to hit all the points and he's aiming to replicate Vito and Nick's.


I try to avoid firing up the oven in summer, a while ago I picked up a propane burner for the Ooni pizza oven so it should be easier to maintain 500 degrees. The sausage recipe in the video intrigues me, and we have some ground pork on hand so why not?

Whipped up a batch of slow fermenting dough this AM, it's usable same day but sitting in the fridge for a couple days improves the flavor so it's great for long weekends. If the mood doesn't hit us I just vacuum seal and pop it in the freezer. Great recipe if anyone is interested.

Our temps are hovering in the mid 70's, and the water is keeping the breezes cool, absolutely beautiful and cooler than normal for this time of year.

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[member=8712]Richard/RMW[/member]

The recipe and process is very similar to mine. Stands to reason seeing as we’re trying to accomplish the same thing. I do have him beat living in the Chicagoland are for 60ish years….

A few suggestions;

Unless you have the larger Onni you’ll have to make them about 11”.

The fennel and crushed chilis need to be pulverized using a mortar and pestle.

He stacks the docked dough, do not do this. The exposed side needs to dry out. The side on the parchment will stay moist. The top (dried side) becomes the bottom, the sauce and toppings are placed on the moist side.

You do not have to pre-cook the sausage, it will cook in the 15-18 minutes the pizza is in the oven @ 500ºF.

If you want a “well done” pie, place it under a broiler element for a minute.

You MUST cut this in squares, it’s in the rules……

It is NOT tavern pizza…..darn foreigners…….. [big grin]

I have dough in the refrigerator for the pizza I’m making in the Onni tomorrow…(as I mentioned I use different doughs depending on the bake)

The next time I bake Chicago thin I’m going to bake it on the Weber Slate using the lid from a Weber Smokey Joe as the dome. Should work…..I think….

Tom

 
tjbnwi said:
[member=8712]Richard/RMW[/member]

The recipe and process is very similar to mine. Stands to reason seeing as we’re trying to accomplish the same thing. I do have him beat living in the Chicagoland are for 60ish years….

A few suggestions;

Unless you have the larger Onni you’ll have to make them about 11”.

The fennel and crushed chilis need to be pulverized using a mortar and pestle.

He stacks the docked dough, do not do this. The exposed side needs to dry out. The side on the parchment will stay moist. The top (dried side) becomes the bottom, the sauce and toppings are placed on the moist side.

You do not have to pre-cook the sausage, it will cook in the 15-18 minutes the pizza is in the oven @ 500ºF.

If you want a “well done” pie, place it under a broiler element for a minute.

You MUST cut this in squares, it’s in the rules……

It is NOT tavern pizza…..darn foreigners…….. [big grin]

I have dough in the refrigerator for the pizza I’m making in the Onni tomorrow…(as I mentioned I use different doughs depending on the bake)

Tom

[member=4105]tjbnwi[/member]

Thanks Tom, appreciate the advice from "someone who's been there". I've got the Kickstarter Ooni Karu, the peel measures a full 12", I think the stone is slightly wider.

I've been dragging my feet on this, there's a lot of new stuff to figure out. As opposed to my go-to Neapolitan dough, which is safe to use when others expect to be fed. I'll give it a go some weeknight.

Enjoy the holiday.

RMW 
 
[member=8712]Richard/RMW[/member]

Let me know how the Onni propane burner works. I’m currently using charcoal/wood combination.

My wife was shocked when I bought the Weber Slate, first propane cooking device I’ve ever owned. Making fried rice on it tonight.

I have 7 Weber Kettles and a Weber SMB, one of the kettles was one of the first purchases we made as a married couple 47+ years ago, I use it to this day.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
[member=8712]Richard/RMW[/member]

Let me know how the Onni propane burner works. I’m currently using charcoal/wood combination.

My wife was shocked when I bought the Weber Slate, first propane cooking device I’ve ever owned. Making fried rice on it tonight.

I have 7 Weber Kettles and a Weber SMB, one of the kettles was one of the first purchases we made as a married couple 47+ years ago, I use it to this day.

Tom

Will do.

Likewise, all my grills/smokers have been charcoal. I guess I'm a snob, I like to think I can taste the difference. The propane burner for the Ooni was a lark, had a Christmas gift card and it was available at Lowes a COUPLE YEARS AGO. Cooking a pie slower gives me the rationale to break it out.

I'm trying to build up the gumption to start on a Santa Maria-ish build. My first Kamado Joe bit the dust when the bottom half cracked (following a BGE), and the company replaced both top/bottom under warranty. I saved the old top with a vague plan to flip it upside down and build an open fire pit/asado grill.

There is something about wood fire and food that I find entrancing.

RMW
 
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