which cleaning set?

[stairman]

I really do need the 36mm hose  , I need some decent cleaning accessories to go  along with the CT,  and I need another Sys 4 or 5 for one of my OF2000's  (they both came in cardboard boxes)  so,  there are two cleaning kits which look like potential candidates,  the tradesperson cleaning kit and the general purpose cleaning kit,  both come in sys4, both have the 11ft 36mm hose, and accessories,  the tradesperson kit is shown with more accessories than the written description and "included" list discloses...  can anyone tell me exactly what this kit comes with>

thanks!

 

[dltflt]

I have the Tradesman and it includes everything shown on Festools web site.

 

[Kev]

I've got the tradesperson kit - I'll assume it's the same round the world.

4 metal pieces to make up the handle
crevice nozzle
round brush
rectangular brush
large head
36mm hose
sys5 (pretty sure it's a 5 - not a 4)

D36 HW-RS-Plus (497700)

 

[EWTHeckman]

My Tradesman/Installer kit came with everything shown here.

• 36 mm x 3.5 m anti-static hose
• steel curved tube
• 3 steel extension tubes
• floor nozzle
• crevice nozzle
• upholstery nozzle
• brush nozzle

It all came in a T-Loc Systainer 5. (Yes, I measured it.)

 

[MrToolJunkie]

I believe the Universal set has plastic wand pieces, non-antistatic hose and plastic floor nozzle whereas the Tradesperson set has metal wands, AS hose and multi-purpose floor nozzle.  I would opt for the Tradesperson to get the AS hose and think the difference in price is well worth it.  Another option is the Workshop cleaning set -- this includes the metal wands, AS hose and the industrial floor sweep which is aluminum.  You can add a brush and crevice tool for not much more.  I have this set and really like it -- I did a review on it a couple of years ago.

Scot

 

[stairman]

http://festools-online.com/index.php/festool-tools-1/festool-dust-extractors-accessories-1/festool-bags-hoses-accessories-1/497700-festool-tradesperson-installer-cleaning-set-t-loc.html

see my concern!    they show it in a sys4, with everything you guys are saying it comes with,  but the list doesnt include all of this.  pretty unusual, eh!

i wasnt aware the general set had a non antistatic hose...  thats a deal breaker right there, 

 

[EWTHeckman]

Apparently the set used to come in a Systainer 4, but the web sites are behind. I guess too many people complained about how hard it was to get the hose in there.

 

[nnordrum]

One thing you should think about is where you're using the kit. Reason being, drop a metal tube on a customer site and you can leave a nasty mark on a wood floor--the plastic tubes won't do that. However, if you're just in your shop, that won't be a concern.

You could ask if you could swap out the non-AS hose with an AS hose if you ordered the Universal cleaning set, D 36 UNI-RS-Plus. Otherwise, all the other sets have an AS hose.

Also, it's obvious once you do it wrong, but you don't want to use the 27mm hose with the installer kit. It does fit on the inside of the tubes, but it creates a choke point where a ball of stuff can build up, greatly reducing the suction.

 

[Kev]

Detail here ...

http://www.festool.com/EN/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=497700&name=Cleaning-sets-D-36-HW-RS-Plus

 

[Corwin]

http://festools-online.com/index.php/festool-tools-1/festool-dust-extractors-accessories-1/festool-bags-hoses-accessories-1/497700-festool-tradesperson-installer-cleaning-set-t-loc.html

see my concern!    they show it in a sys4, with everything you guys are saying it comes with,  but the list doesnt include all of this.   pretty unusual, eh!

Yeah, you might notice that the website you listed also has the wrong floor sweep listed for that kit.  They list the aluminum floor nozzle that comes with the Workshop Cleaning Set.  I have that set and have found that the aluminum floor nozzle is the nicest floor nozzle that I've ever had -- I highly recommend that Set if you will use this in your shop, otherwise a Set with the plastic tubes may be better, as Noah states above.

Also, probably the best deal Festool offers is the Cleaning Set -- whether you purchase another Cleaning Set that comes with these tools or not, I suggest also purchasing this set too. 

 

[SteveC]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/video-review-of-festool-professional-cleaning-set-%28454766%29/
Here's how to fit it in a Sys 4.
Point is now moot with me in that I cut 5' off hose for Kapex and that rides in the CT26 garage.
The 6' remainder fits nicely in the Sys 4.
I'd go for the metal tubes and be careful.

 

[denovich]

I recently purchased the Workshop cleaning kit.  Came in a T-loc SYS-5.  Price made me wince, but I hoped that it would feel worth it when I put it to use...  and that is just what happened.  I have a few ways of cleaning up the shop (a giant floor sweep connected to my DC + compressed air to herd the debris towards the sweep is damn fast.)  But the Aluminum floor sweep that comes with the Workshop cleaning kit is really first class and a joy (if cleaning can be described as a joy) to use.  It gets under almost everything.  I'm beginning to get comfortable that I paid more for a hose & sweep than I did for my CT22 (got it used.) 

My only complaint would be that the plastic bushings used to connect the tubes, sweep, and hose together are a bit fiddly.  They are just enough of a pain to assemble/disassemble that at first I thought I was doing something wrong.  Once I confirmed that was the way they went together, I found it a bit too difficult to pop the floor sweep off in order to switch to the smaller cleaning utensils. 

Oh, one other problem... but this is a general problem with dust collectors/sweeps/brushes of any sort.  They have a hell of a time dealing with shavings that come off my hand planes. 

 

[greenMonster]

Thought it might be a relevant Q.
What's everyone using for a beater brush for RPP?

 

[Brice Burrell]

Thought it might be a relevant Q.
What's everyone using for a beater brush for RPP?

I'm not doing RRP work but I do have the Festool turbo brush.  I haven't had much opportunity to use it much, however, the time that I have it has been great. 

 

[stairman]

My wife bought a Dyson vacuum cleaner,  and it came with a "turbo" brush,  which is a vacuum powered beater brush.  it connects to my 27mm hose just fine,  and it works amazingly well at picking up messes off carpet.  I'm ordering the Festool Beater Brush soon,  so I don't get beat with something for taking her Dyson parts  [tongue]

does anyone have this?  and if so,  how soft/stiff are the bristles?
If there's a beater brush with medium to soft bristles, it may be a great way to clean off a wood surface during finishing.

I always blow with compressed air while wiping with a clean rag,  -to break the surface tension and get all the dust off.
blowing alone does not get it all off, as there is always a thin layer that clings to the surface.
I'm hoping the Festool version of this attachment will accomplish that task without leaving any trace of itself on the workpiece ???

I sure am glad you guys pointed out the fact that the general purpose kit came with NON A.S. hose...  that would have been a real disappointment!
the tradesperson/installer kit is definitely the right choice for me,  though I want to pickup not only the turbo brush,  but that large floor sweep that Corwin vouches for...

as for cutting an AS hose,  what all is needed to properly terminate the ends.  if it is cut and proper ends added on,  then it can always be linked back together with a coupler,  right?
I had visions of a roughly cut  -bitter end of a hose being slipped over the Kapex dust fitting,  and now I can see that isn't even close to correct!
-but what all parts are needed to accomplish this for the 36mm hose cutting?

 

[denovich]

Stairman:  you need one of each of these:

Reducing Sleeve
Rotating Connector

 

[Corwin]

...
as for cutting an AS hose,  what all is needed to properly terminate the ends.  if it is cut and proper ends added on,  then it can always be linked back together with a coupler,  right?
I had visions of a roughly cut  -bitter end of a hose being slipped over the Kapex dust fitting,  and now I can see that isn't even close to correct!
-but what all parts are needed to accomplish this for the 36mm hose cutting?

The Festool hose fittings include the Rotating Connectors (which are the end fittings that will plug into your CT or a Hose Connector) and the Reducing Sleeves (which are the end fittings that fit into/onto your Festool tools.)

Here are some old photos that show how to install these fittings.  The Rotating Connectors and the Reducing Sleeves have the same type internal parts and install the same:

Above are the parts that make up the D36 Rotating Connector.

Here's how the parts are installed.

And here is the Hose Connector.

Hope this explains how the Festool hose fittings work.   [big grin]

 

[peter halle]

Stairman,

I have used my Dyson beater bar with my CT-26.  If you were happy with it using the D27 hose, you will be blown away by how it works with a larger diameter hose.

Peter

 

[stairman]

thanks so much for the photos,  now I understand how this works.  so -I will need two rotating assemblies,  one for each side of the cut,  right?

as for the Dyson beater bar,  it works amazingly well,  but considering it came off my wifes $500 vacuum cleaner,  there is no way I can "claim it"  and,  anytime I have pulled it out to use, I notice a few eyebrows raise  : :  it's like  "mmm  hmmm...  -his wife is gonna skin him alive when she realizes..."  [crying]

 

[atomicmike]

As an alternative to the Festool turbo brush, I picked up one of these: Pro-Team 100117 11" Turbo Brush Carpet Floor Tool Attachment. It fits standard Shop-Vac type hoses, so you need an adapter for it to work with the Festool hoses, but it does work quite well.

- Mike