You never know what will happen once you walk in the door

peter halle

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On Thursday I walked into my local aquarium store.  Had not been there in about 6 months.  I have been a customer for about 20 years.  I haven't been that involved lately because I have several saltwater aquariums and it is an expensive hobby.  Business has been done and the turtle - me - has pulled his head into his shell.

This place is better than scuba diving in the Caribbean.  You can not spend less than 30 minutes in this store.  I was standing at the counter listening to a conversation between the owner and a customer when the owner looks over at me and asks if I am busy.  Putting pride aside I tell him business sucks.  He tells me that he is slammed with business and that he needs 9 cabinets. aquarium stands, and built-ins now.

Well, after after 10 years and 4 or 5 serious discussions, finally I get a chance.  Some of this will be out of my comfort range and I will be forced to finally look for shop space.  I hope that you guys will be here to offer advice when I ask.  I am busting my ass this weekend to build the trial stand out in my driveway.  I used my Domino more this afternoon than I have in the last 18 months I owned it.  I love it.

Ironically I went to go pick up materials today and stopped by to show a stain sample.  I knew he was meeting with a veterinarian about putting a large tank in their office.  The vet turned out to be Dr. Gene who is the one that we have taken our pets to for almost 25 years.  He did instantly ask about MacGyver.   [thumbs up]

This is one of his tanks.  1200 gallons.  10 feet long x 4 feet front to back x 4 feet 6 inches tall.  Plus the stand.  He is doing a 1700 gallon tank in a house in PA soon.

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Sorry for the crappy image.  I had to hurry and use a cell phone.  They don't allow photos.  They have had numerous people take pictures and then boastingly claim ownership on the internet.  But for reference, the clam in the lower left had corner weighed over 150 lbs 2 years ago when he moved in.  The large fish to the left is 14 inches long.

Guys,  cross you fingers for me.

Peter

 
Peter, What a great stroke of good luck.  I am sure you will do OK.  When i was in construction and working for the most part with only one helper, i found that when biz was slow for the bigger outfits, i was always overloaded with work.  Smaller jobs seemed to sell best when biz was slow.  When biz was booming for the big companies, that's when i found i needed smaller belt.
Good luck wishes ahead.
Tinker
 
Glad to hear this, Peter. My experience is the same as Tinker's, hope yours goes stronger and stronger.
 
Great news Peter!
I have always believed that we all get some luck in our life, but those who succeed are the ones who are ready to go when the luck comes!
These days, one of the best strategies is to find a niche, not to compete with all those yahoos out there, but to find a small corner where you are the go to guy.
Wishing you the best - just hope you don't get too busy to moderate [scared]!
 
Congratulations, Peter!

I guess that, since you've had salt water tanks, you know what it takes to build a good aquarium stand, but my mind is boggling.  1,200 gallons?  1,700 gallons?!  At eight pounds per gallon, that'd be 9,600 and 13,600 pounds respectively.  I guess this shows my ignorance, but when you build the stands for big tanks like that, does the job include reinforcing the floors in those places?

Regards,

John
 
[eek]  that is a lot of weight !  Maybe steel reinforcing?

Oh, and cool, nothing like a big job just popping up.  [cool]

Seth
 
Excellent news, Peter!  Good luck with that and as the others said, post back for ideas if you need any (unlikely, but what the heck :))

Those are amazingly huge tanks.  10,000+ lbs? You might want to use 2 8mm Dominos instead of just 1 5mm on the joints  [tongue] j/k
 
PaulMarcel said:
...Those are amazingly huge tanks.  10,000+ lbs? You might want to use 2 8mm Dominos instead of just 1 5mm on the joints  [tongue] j/k

[big grin]
 
PaulMarcel said:
Excellent news, Peter!  Good luck with that and as the others said, post back for ideas if you need any (unlikely, but what the heck :))

Those are amazingly huge tanks.  10,000+ lbs? You might want to use 2 8mm Dominos instead of just 1 5mm on the joints  [tongue] j/k

I recon a new Domino XL is required for this!  [tongue]

Pictures Pete!  [popcorn]

JMB
 
JMB is dead wrong! This job requires the super secret Domino XXXL that uses the new 100mm dominos!
 
I didn't want to ignore this thread.  The designs for the structural part of the stands have been engineered.  I am out of the product liability problem.

I have no idea where this will go.  Or if it will be profitable.

I got a lead on work space today and am on the waiting list.  Not my perfect size, but better than working outside and wasting the time putting away tools and getting them out.  10 ft X 30 ft (don't like the 10 ft size) with heat and air conditioning and power - 200 a month  [big grin].  High ceiling height - could do a loft / mezzanine.  I am not ready to commit to a larger space yet, so we will see what happens.

Thank you to everyone for the wishes and comments.  They mean a lot!  [thumbs up]

Peter
 
Peter,

Great to hear.  Just goes to show that it pays to frequent local businesses.  I know that when I had my own accounting business I got a pet shop and a golf shop as clients just because I shopped there and let them know what I did for a living.  In addition, they refer ed other businesses and individuals.

Absolutely no better advertising than a referral.

Neill
 
OK.  I could write a book about why you should hire a cabinet pro to do these kinds of things now.  I am not going to document the steps and mis-steps I have encountered, but I honestly believe that a black cloud has descended upon me.

So the first question that I have to ask regards cabinet hinges - Blum in particular.

I went to a local cabinet goods supplier and got hinges.  I then went to the Blum website and downloaded their Excel spreadsheet program to determine the distance from the edge of the door that I need to drill the hole.  The dimensions there are to the edge of the hole.  I don't have any of the jigs and right now they are not on the horizon.

So the question is:  If the distance to the edge of the hole is 5 MM and the hole is 35 MM, and the centerline of the hole is 22.5 mm should I mark the centerline of the hole at:

a.  22 mm
b.  23 mm
c.  choose either one and move on - that is why they are adjustable?

But this also raises a general question about dimensions with hardware.  Do you go to the min or the max when the results are in between.

Thanks for any advice!

Peter

Peter
 
Peter, I've had to drill one too many cabinet doors in the field for various reasons, and all without a jig.  Since there's a bit of adjustment in the hinges, I typically go with about 3/32"-3/16 from edge of door to beginning of bore.  I know this is a gross oversimplification and many will chime in with much more thorough answers, but try it on a sample board and it should work fine.  A 1 3/8" forsner bit will do of you don't have a 35 mm bit.

Head up!  No black cloud above you, just hiccups.

Jon
 
If you're using the LR32, there are 1/10 mm vernier markings on the gauges. Makes it easy enough to get your 22.5mm offset.

HTH,
Bill
 
The "back set" on a euro cup hinges is typically measured from the edge of the door to the edge of the cup hole.  Most of the blum I have worked with back set range between 3 and 5mm, though I have pushed it to 8mm a couple of times.

It was mentioned prior that if you are using the lr32 system you could set your guide at 3mm+(35mm/2) +-2mm.
 
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