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Just first time casual use. Also confuses the issue with random-orbit only sanders included in some of the comparisons.
YouTuber likes the Bosch 6" Rotex equivalent as much
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Just first time casual use. Also confuses the issue with random-orbit only sanders included in some of the comparisons.
I watched that one today. What struck me is, the comparison has been done before and at least a few years ago. I guess it's all about new and pushing to the top for rankings. Agreed on the random orbit only being in the video; any mention of them should be in a separate content.
As much as I like my RO 150 I know it's expensive and there's a bunch of people who can't afford it or don't want to lay out that kind of money and the Bosch is a great alternative. IIRC, Makita has an equivalent, too.
As much as I like my RO 150 I know it's expensive and there's a bunch of people who can't afford it or don't want to lay out that kind of money and the Bosch is a great alternative. IIRC, Makita has an equivalent, too.
Why is the Festool sander made in Bosch colors? Are they trying to shine with Bosch luster?
Why wouldn’t Festool use their own color scheme, which is almost as much of a trademark as the name Festool”.
Is marketing trying to divorce themselves from this product?
Why wouldn’t Festool use their own color scheme, which is almost as much of a trademark as the name Festool”.
Is marketing trying to divorce themselves from this product?
After using a friend's RO150 for a project and loving it, I had to return it and was working on another project that I needed the RO. Since he was in the midst of a project and it was nearly Christmas, I found a used GET75-6N and bought that for $200.
I gotta say, it's pretty darned good. Dust extraction is right up there with the RO and maybe it's slightly less squirrely. I've been using it mostly with a bunch of 3M Cubitron Xtract that the previous owner gave me (and have installed a Festool protection pad) and I'm pretty surprised at how pleased I am - especially in comparison to the Rotex.
I gotta say, it's pretty darned good. Dust extraction is right up there with the RO and maybe it's slightly less squirrely. I've been using it mostly with a bunch of 3M Cubitron Xtract that the previous owner gave me (and have installed a Festool protection pad) and I'm pretty surprised at how pleased I am - especially in comparison to the Rotex.
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Packard said:
The Festool is black as it's always been, while the Bosch is blue?
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Bosch has been making sanders of this type for about 30 years.
The one pictured is the third generation and there might now be a fourth.
The one pictured is the third generation and there might now be a fourth.
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Packard said:
The Rotex is the same deep midnight blue as everything else that Festool makes. Modern LED lighting, digital cameras, and video processing software all contrive to distort the true color of so many things nowadays that are seen on the internet.
One of my more-favored sarcastic science presenters on the internet put out a very good video about LED lighting and its effects on color perception about 5 1/2 years ago:
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squall_line said:
Packard, as a photographer you are fully aware on how lighting can affect color resolution. It's just a lighting thing and shame on him...if he's not willing to spend the $$ to present a tool in the appropriate lighting the way it was meant to be displayed, then a pox on him. It also makes me tend to ignore any of his other opinions...I've not watched the video so that's perfect.
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After living in a cave his whole life, a Youtuber discovered (sic) a compound rotation sander a.k.a. ROTEX is no longer made by only Festo(ol). Missing on the memo the Festo patents expired about 20+ years ago.smorgasbord said:
Or, maybe, just maybe, got funded for a viral marketing campaign ..
About sums that "review".
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That said, "bad" marketing is still brand awareness.
When troll posters feel the need to message some competitor will "kill" your product, that includes the presumption your product is superior. The audience for these junk posts tends to be people who are likely unware something like ROTEX exists, or what is that weirdo Festool brand they never saw in HDs of this world. Ehm.
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Funny story ... last week I brought my WTS 150/7 to parents place for some paint-on-concrete sanding. It happened this was about the time a neighbour in apartment above was re-doing the bathroom and forgot to put out a notice.
Well, a well-known-local-tradesman-turned-housing-association-rep., turned up complaining of me "drilling and angle-grinding walls" (he saw me with the WTS in hand) without a notice .. Background is we did not drill in that place for a decade and while the WTS is loud along with the CTM, it does not "transfer" that into the walls to the other apartments.
So he started arguing with me how "cutting up a wall is not acceptable without a permit .."
Realizing how unaware he was, I went for some fun. The look on his face when I put my hand onto the sanding pad while turning on the sander on was priceless. People not in the specific trade are usually completely unaware what tooling is out there. So any awareness is good.
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mino said:
I got a good laugh out your post, thank you [member=61254]mino[/member] .
There was a great piece on one of my news podcasts the other day about the trend of "rage baiting" on YouTube, TikTok, etc... The scheme seeks to take advantage of the platforms rewarding "engagement", even if the engagement is "dislike". Apparently, the model is to (usually innocently):
-- Make a claim which is clearly not accurate, then invite folks to comment or affirm their statement. For example, a poster might be walking down the street bragging about what a cute outfit they picked, or what an amazing job they did on their makeup that morning, when in fact the outfit is really tacky or out of style, and/or the makeup looks like a child smeared it on with a shim.
-- Invite viewers to tell them how cute they look
-- Hateful or mean comments come streaming in
-- The algorithm sees a lot of engagement on the video, and begins suggesting it more often to a wider audience
-- More hateful or means comments come streaming in, algorithm responds, and the snowballs really starts rolling downhill
-- In the end, the video gets thousands of views and the original poster makes a tidy profit on the ad revenue
The next day, they bake a really sad looking cake, post a video about how awesome their bakery skills are, and the cycle continues....
Regarding the gear-driven random orbit sanders, yeah Bosch, Makita and others have had Rotex-equivalents since I entered the trades in 2001. Like you say, the person producing the video was either naive, sponsored, or "rage-baiting"....
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Tom Gensmer said:
I've had my Bosch 1370 DEVS since the mid 1990's. But, I believe the first Rotex (not switchable to RO though I believe) predates that, to 1979. On the Bosch, I have to flip a wheel with rubber on one side and gears the other over to switch between modes, which means removing the pad. In Random Orbit mode, my ETS EC 150 with a 5mm orbit is way smoother than the Bosch in the same mode (4.5mm orbit). I leave the Bosch in geared mode exclusively now, but can't remember the last time I used it. I have a 25" drum sander and a 4x24" belt sander upside down on a bench that I could use for any kind of sanding aggression needed, which is super rare for me as I'm not a remodeler. I guess I should sell the Bosch and all the spare pads and such I have with it. I do also have an RO90 for the geared polishing things I might need.
Yeah, the guy in the video is pretty new to real woodworking. He tried for a while to be a YT influencer pushing pocket screw usage, and is trying to progress from there. Although from other reports, the Bosch does seem pretty good if you want a RO150 but don't have or want to spend the money for the Festool.
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smorgasbord said:
I bought the very first Rotex, the RO1E when it was released here in OZ, and it did both modes. Not via a switch as with current models, but by utilising a locking lever that allowed you to rotate the metal assembly to engage or disengage the gearing to a varying degree between 0% to 100%. At the time it was utterly unique and unbelievably powerful compared to all other available brand sanders.
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I blocked that guy forever ago. He has no interest in Festool aside from it driving up engagement in his spammy channel. Having said that, there have been several YouTubes that came to the same conclusion - the Bosch GET is a really nice sander. I've had mine since it came out, and having had a chance now to use my partner's RO150, I'd choose the Bosch again.
The Festool suffers (imho) from excessive "girth" making it less comfortable to hold long term, something that also afflicts the OSC and Carvex barrel handle. The Bosch, while easier to handle, gets dings for not having a Plugit and needing better support for consumables. They're both good at dust collection, smooth in orbit mode and burly when grinding. Factoring in buying a Systainer for the Bosch, there's still a $200 price difference.
When the Woodcraft closed I bought up all their Bosch paper and an extra sanding pad. Once that's gone I may have to review my review because I don't know any place local that's carrying Bosch parts.
The Festool suffers (imho) from excessive "girth" making it less comfortable to hold long term, something that also afflicts the OSC and Carvex barrel handle. The Bosch, while easier to handle, gets dings for not having a Plugit and needing better support for consumables. They're both good at dust collection, smooth in orbit mode and burly when grinding. Factoring in buying a Systainer for the Bosch, there's still a $200 price difference.
When the Woodcraft closed I bought up all their Bosch paper and an extra sanding pad. Once that's gone I may have to review my review because I don't know any place local that's carrying Bosch parts.
I have an older equivalent of that bosch (150 turbo) and it was a good sander but mine was not as reliable as the rotex. It has been serviced at least 3-4 times with various problems and now needs a new spare part that costs more than 120 euro so I decided to retire it.
I just had to note this. Was watching a YouTuber video yesterday who, for whatever reason, continuously kept saying "I'm a Festool fanboy" reminding the viewer that despite the tools he's reviewing, he's a "Festool fanboy."
Never mind that in his expansive tool background, he only had a TopRock.
But really, I couldn't understand why he felt so compelled to say "I'm a Festool fanboy" every 30 seconds.
Never mind that in his expansive tool background, he only had a TopRock.
But really, I couldn't understand why he felt so compelled to say "I'm a Festool fanboy" every 30 seconds.
