15 guage nailers ?

[dirtydeeds]

this side of the atlantic we seem to use only framing nailers and then 16 guage nailers for secondfix work

and yet (it would seem) 15 guage is the tool of choice for the trim carpentry in the americas

first question, so has anybody any idea why paslode, an all american company, dont seem to make any 15 guage nailers, not even air driven ones

personally i prefer not to use air driven nailers, i like gas driven guns

second question, ALL 15 guage nailers (that i can find) are air driven, any ideas on this 

 

[Per Swenson]

DD,

Where do I start?

Why with a disclaimer of course.

These views are my own and are not a industry standard.

15 gauge nailers are a pain in the keister......for the painter/finisher.

Which causes a reputation problem for the installer.

As far as my opinion is concerned they are good for hanging prehung doors

and really wide hardwood crown that needs more persuasion then blocking.

Or outside trim.

I have seen many a overpriced McMansion with MDF trim, slammed on with a 15 guage.

It ain't pretty. You think the painter is going to fill those holes for three days. Hah!

For us who am I kiddin, for me its 18 and 23 and copious amounts of glue.

And seeing as I switch hats when and if at all possible I will finish and or paint my work.

See, here in America, filling holes is the painters job, any time there are more then two trades

on a project. I believe in protecting my reputation by filling my own holes.

Well? Have you ever heard of a bad painter? Nah I didn't think so.

Now on to Paslode. DD I don't like em. I have one 18 paslode, was the best gun I ever owned...

for a month. Went straight to hell. Thinking it was my abuse which sent it there, I went a intertoob searching.

It turns out it was a hunk of junk  after a month.

The early paslode technology of gasfired guns left a Bad taste in every bodys mouth.

You know the combination of gas and spark left a corrosive residue just like a fire arm.

Turning these guns and paslodes reputation pretty much to junk for the "in the know finish carpenter".

Doesn't matter what they make today. Damage is done, wait for a new generation of tool buyers.

DD, don't get me wrong, I have two 15 guage guns and they get used for the stuff I stated.

And if you want one, seeing as I have thoroughly libeled paslode any way.....

Any one of these Folks

make one.

I probably rambled on here and said nothing of value, but there it is.

Per

Sorry, if I am going to call something a piece of junk I better be clear.

Its this piece of junk

and no its not gas powered.

P.

 

[Per Swenson]

Wait there is more!

Gassified nail guns are not cheap to use daily.

The cartridges cost money, and you always run out of gas Friday afternoon at 10 minutes to 4pm.

We have compressors anyway, for all kinds of things. You know the flat tire from the nails in the driveway,

clean up, Framing guns, spraying paint,  filling basket balls and pool toys, and don't forget the sound they

create allows us to feel macho and look busy at the same time.

Also to ignore anyone you don't wish to talk to. (can't hear ya Mam, compressor runnin)

With the new poly air hoses,

you no longer feel the weight of the hose on the gun, which makes the Gassified versions heavier by comparison.

Oh, disregard that price in the link.

Ok, I'am done.

Per

 

[Michael Kellough]

Wait there is more!

Gassified nail guns are not cheap to use daily.

The cartridges cost money, and you always run out of gas Friday afternoon at 10 minutes to 4pm.

We have compressors anyway, for all kinds of things. You know the flat tire from the nails in the driveway,

clean up, Framing guns, spraying paint,  filling basket balls and pool toys, and don't forget the sound they

create allows us to feel macho and look busy at the same time.

Also to ignore anyone you don't wish to talk to. (can't hear ya Mam, compressor runnin)

With the new pvc air hoses,

you no longer feel the weight of the hose on the gun, which makes the Gassified versions heavier by comparison.

Oh, disregard that price in the link.

Ok, I'am done.

Per

Per, it ain't pvc it's polyurethane, that's why it's light and strong and pliable. Can't get that combination with pvc.

DD, I've had a Senco 16g straight collation finish gun for a long time. It does a lot less damage than the 15g guns I've seen and it can use 2 1/2" ammo. But, if my 18g gun shooting 2" can get the job done it is preferred.

 

[Per Swenson]

Sorry.

I sprawl on the couch corrected. ;D

Per

 

[dirtydeeds]

per

thanks for the pointers, lots of interesting things you have to say (english costs converted to dollars at 2 to the pound)

prehung doors are rarely used here, its the cost............ approx 600 dollars ex works price

against this a standard (CHEAP) door installation (including lining and architrave) of around 100 dollars (materials only cost)

external trim here is restricted to fascias and soffits because nearly all houses are brick or brick skinned

so a 15 guage gun doesnt sound too much use to me

the cost of paslode nail guns in america blow me away (pun intended) from the link a P200 costs you 80 dollars

its equivilent here FN1665.1 at street prices is 380 dollars

if that doesnt make you fall down dead, try Paslodes "Recommended Retail Price"  915 dollars

if you want a compressor as well.................. add 500 dollars for a pretty basic one

yes its the painters job to fill nail holes here as well and yes they are a bunch of belly aching whingers

ps per

dont take that correction lying down, just tell him he's being cheeky and give him a slap 

 

[Per Swenson]

DD,

You can't complain about prices.........

Because you guys are called Joiners, Fitters, Wrights and such.

You know, like you should wear a tie to work.

With a title like that I am sure you work solely for the Lord n Lady of the manor

and price is but a whim. ;D

Per

 

[dirtydeeds]

quite correct per

i work for lord and lady muck

the required mode of dress is a 3 piece suit with tie

and the paslode prices are passed on

 

[Per Swenson]

For our American Readers,

The Lord and Lady Muck

Per

 

[dirtydeeds]

correct again per

lord and lady muck are the neveau rich

the neveau rich are

white collar middle class people who earn large sums of money (wear dolce and gabanna)

they tell you how much they earn AND demand you bow and scrape to them because you dont

they quibble over the merest penny of additional cost on a job

"real" rich people / greek shipping owners / gentlemen are totally different

they dont demand anything, they wouldnt be seen dead in designer label stuff

their merest suggestion or hint is a direct instruction to carry out work

they never quibble over the price but, (you know without being told) that they require total perfection

 

[JJ Wavra]

I baught a paslode 16 gauge gun that is gas powered.  It is ok but if I were to do it all over again I would buy one that runs off a compressor.  I very rarely use it and I had it for a about 11 months and went to use and it would not work.  I braught it to the shop and they told me it was the chip that tells the gun to fire the spark when the gas is released.  That part with labor was almost 100 dollars.  Thankfully it was under warranty.  Oh yeah and that smell actually has carbon monoxide in it so not too good in small spaces.  that gun here runs around 350 dollars.

JJ

 

[dirtydeeds]

jj, how cheap is that

here the angled nailer costs twice that, nearly 700 dollars (at 2 dollars to the pound)

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/83658/Power-Tools/Gas-Nailers/Paslode-IM65A-63mm-Brad-Nailer

the straight nailer is very close in price

my own experience, requirements and cost leads me down a different path away from compressors

 

[Michael Kellough]

This is bulky and heavy but it doesn't stink.

 

[Forrest Anderson]

second question, ALL 15 guage nailers (that i can find) are air driven, any ideas on this 

This is bulky and heavy but it doesn't stink.

Michael has given the link for the DeWalt DC618 cordless nailer, which is what I have and I am very happy with it (despite its bulk).

Although it is a 16g model, DeWalt also sell the DC628 cordless 15g nailer (1.8mm dia nails instead of 1.6mm dia in the 16g model), and the new DC608 which is 18g (1.2mm dia nails).

Forrest

 

[JJ Wavra]

jj, how cheap is that

here the angled nailer costs twice that, nearly 700 dollars (at 2 dollars to the pound)

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/83658/Power-Tools/Gas-Nailers/Paslode-IM65A-63mm-Brad-Nailer

the straight nailer is very close in price

my own experience, requirements and cost leads me down a different path away from compressors

Dirtydeeds,

I saw a couple of months ago a 16 gauge nailer also made by paslode, at the home depot, and it was on clearance for i think 95 dollars. That was basically the same type of setup 16 gauge angled nailer but it ran off of a compressor.  So, I would say if you weren't going to buy a gun on clearance the guns that run off of a compressor would be about half the price.  I do have to add though that you can always find deals on various guns.

hope that helps,
JJ

 

[neoshed]

For what its worth mate, every chippy I've spoken to over here who uses a paslode says they're ok but pricey.

I think you're much better off sticking to a compressor or ( depends on when they get back there if they arent already) going with CO2 if you really need the freedom.

I have a PC pancake and I've used it on site several times. Unless I'm wacking in framing nails, the thing kicks in once every 30 mins tops, and it's not really THAT loud imho. Obviously if your indoors with the lady of the house and she's doing her own thing it might be a prob but its your call.( cue 70's porno music)

 

[Loren Woirhaye]

I have a 15 Ga. - I bought it because I've formed an attachment to
Hitachi tools in the air-gun arena and I wanted a heavier angle
nailer.

The nail-heads are almost round.  They look like you put them
in with a hammer.  I seldom use them in exposed areas but I'm
positive they hold a lot better than 18 ga. nails.  It's not an
every-day tool for me like a brad nailer is, but it's proved it's
usefulness and the angled magazine lets it get in places a
straight nailer cannot go.

 

[mastercabman]

jj, how cheap is that

here the angled nailer costs twice that, nearly 700 dollars (at 2 dollars to the pound)

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/83658/Power-Tools/Gas-Nailers/Paslode-IM65A-63mm-Brad-Nailer

the straight nailer is very close in price

my own experience, requirements and cost leads me down a different path away from compressors

I remember when they first came out.I got one and it cost me $600.00!      Did not include any fuel cell!

 

[Per Swenson]

Loren,

Yep, I will second the motion on the Hitachi nailers.

All of em.

They have come along way.

Per

 

[Sweet]

Deeds, I was 'across the pond' several years ago and bought myself a Senco 15g, Senco 18g, various quick release fittings and a pair of coil-hose's (the same one's that Per has linked). The price for all this, was less than buying just the 15g on its own over here!!!

Admittedly, I made it back across without getting stung, but I managed to save half the cost of my flight. The 15g has seen plenty of use with MDF architrave and skirting. On better quality jobs I switch to the 18g and glue. I use a Bostich compressor on larger jobs, but I have a small, 6 litre I think, Senco compressor that is surprisingly quiet. Even better now would be a Poppers 'briefcase' type compressor.

I've found that using air, compared to Paslode gas type. The nails are a heck of a lot cheaper, even Screwfix stocks the 18g type, they don't mind the cold or for that matter the wet (Cedar cladding secretly fixed using Senco stainless 15g nails) and when its time to pack up you can blow the dust off your tools in double quick time. Which is VERY important to a Festool user! ;D