36mm hose selection

[John T.]

Is there consensus on which 36mm hose is best for hand tool use? For context I am considering going up in size from the D 27/32x3,5m-AS/CTR to get better chip collection. The chip collection with the 27mm hose is especially lacking with a Shaper Origin, but I guess it'll help with other tools including OF1400, Dewalt trim router, Domino 500, and general cleanup. I would still swap back to the smaller hose when sanding.

Now I see there are two 36mm hoses, one that is straight 36mm, and another that is 36mm tapered down to 32mm on the tool size, in order to increase velocity at the tool. I have no idea how the three hoses will compare, if I should go for the tapered hose as a compromise, or plan to swap back and forth between the 27/32 and the 36mm hose.

Has anyone used all three with similar tools and can share their experience?

Edit: If it matters, I always wear a respirator when sanding and usually when running other tools, and have an air purifier running all the time. So although I don't want significantly worse fine particle collection, that's not the #1 priority all the time.

 

[Coen]

The Domino doesn't take the D36 hose end. It falls in the category with most of the sanders, the previous OF-1010, the MFK 700, etc. where the small D27 hose end fits over the dust port on the tool.

The next category is where the D27 fits inside and the D36 fits over, like the TS 55, OF-1400; there you can either.

And then there is the rare category where the D36 hose end fits inside, like the CMS-OF module. There the D27 won't fit.
(And of course my modded Metabo MFE-65. Turns out 50mm thickwalled PVC sewer pipe fits the D36 hose end perfectly.)

and another that is 36mm tapered down to 32mm on the tool size, in order to increase velocity at the tool.

It's not about that but being more maneuverable.

I always wear a respirator when sanding

I never do. Only when breaking down chimneys, walls, bathrooms, etc. and when wall chasing in concrete, brick etc. Then it's a full face mask.

Has anyone used all three with similar tools and can share their experience?

I own the tapered 27/32 and a straight 36, besides the older ribbed straight 27 and 36. Where the hose would be the most annoying the D36 hose end simply doesn't fit anyway and when using the HK-85 even the D36 hose isn't really a significant bother at all.
I guess when using an OF-1400 in certain cases the tapered 32/36 would be nice

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Is there consensus on which 36mm hose is best for hand tool use? For context I am considering going up in size from the D 27/32x3,5m-AS/CTR to get better chip collection. The chip collection with the 27mm hose is especially lacking with a Shaper Origin, but I guess it'll help with other tools including OF1400, Dewalt trim router, Domino 500, and general cleanup. I would still swap back to the smaller hose when sanding.

Now I see there are two 36mm hoses, one that is straight 36mm, and another that is 36mm tapered down to 32mm on the tool size, in order to increase velocity at the tool. I have no idea how the three hoses will compare, if I should go for the tapered hose as a compromise, or plan to swap back and forth between the 27/32 and the 36mm hose.

Has anyone used all three with similar tools and can share their experience?

Edit: If it matters, I always wear a respirator when sanding and usually when running other tools, and have an air purifier running all the time. So although I don't want significantly worse fine particle collection, that's not the #1 priority all the time.

The 36mm hose is definitely an improvement for larger chip-producing tools, but I don't think it will help you with the main one you asked about. The restriction of the Shaper Origin is the opening near the bit. A larger hose is not going to help there, or with the Domino either, for that matter. It doesn't produce big chips either.
On the OF1400 or any router table, it really shines, especially with big bits.
If you haven't seen any of the other threads about this....It is highly recommended that you obtain a 36mm through the purchase of one of the cleaning sets. Not only is that also a great use for the bigger hose, it makes financial sense too. It is the most cost-effective way to buy one.

Is your Origin 2nd gen? I don't know if that was one of the improvements, but there are a few. Mine is 1st gen, so I know what you mean.

 

[4nthony]

One option is to get a reducing sleeve for tools that weren't designed to accommodate the 36mm hose.

Reducing sleeve DC-D 36/27-AS

www.festoolusa.com

 

[John T.]

I hadn't considered tool compatibility, but I did see the reducer Anthony mentioned. Makes more sense now that tools with dust ports that go "in" the 27mm hose are not compatible with the 36mm hose without a reducer, but those where the 27mm hose goes "in" the tool's dust port, a 36mm hose would fit over.

The 36mm hose is definitely an improvement for larger chip-producing tools, but I don't think it will help you with the main one you asked about. The restriction of the Shaper Origin is the opening near the bit. A larger hose is not going to help there, or with the Domino either, for that matter. It doesn't produce big chips either.
On the OF1400 or any router table, it really shines, especially with big bits.
If you haven't seen any of the other threads about this....It is highly recommended that you obtain a 36mm through the purchase of one of the cleaning sets. Not only is that also a great use for the bigger hose, it makes financial sense too. It is the most cost-effective way to buy one.

Is your Origin 2nd gen? I don't know if that was one of the improvements, but there are a few. Mine is 1st gen, so I know what you mean.

It's a second gen, but it throws chips all over, maybe it is what it is due to the restriction like you said. I thought I read Shaper forum posts saying they saw an improvement but it's been a while so I'll double check that. Maybe they also address the tapered versus straight 36mm hoses.

I would probably get it with the cleaning set, at least if I decided to get the straight 36mm hose which it looks like it comes with.

 

[4nthony]

One thing I should mention about the reducer is it doesn't twist lock like pretty much every other Festool hose/tool interface. It just pushes on, friction fit.

I've never had it fall off a hose port, but if I'm not holding the hose, you can definitely feel the pull from the extra weight.

 

[rvieceli]

Bosch makes a 5 meter 35 mm vacuum hose similar to the older Festool hoses. It is non anti static but I have not found that to be a problem.

The tool end threads on like the Festool hoses and you can replace it with Festool 36 mm end. Works fine, I use mine for routers and the track saw.

Hose is around $60 and the Festool end is $32 both from Amazon.

https://a.co/d/8EHRE1L

Amazon.com: Festool 500670 Coupling Sleeve D 36 DM-As/Ct : Tools & Home Improvement

Amazon.com: Festool 500670 Coupling Sleeve D 36 DM-As/Ct : Tools & Home Improvement

a.co

Ron

 

[John T.]

Thanks for the input from everyone. I ordered a 36mm hose open box. I'll see how annoying it is to switch between the two sizes or if it's easier to just use the adapter with the smaller tools.

One thing I should mention about the reducer is it doesn't twist lock like pretty much every other Festool hose/tool interface. It just pushes on, friction fit.

I've never had it fall off a hose port, but if I'm not holding the hose, you can definitely feel the pull from the extra weight.

Good to know. Maybe I find it annoying enough I just switch between hoses depending on the tool.

Bosch makes a 5 meter 35 mm vacuum hose similar to the older Festool hoses. It is non anti static but I have not found that to be a problem.

The tool end threads on like the Festool hoses and you can replace it with Festool 36 mm end. Works fine, I use mine for routers and the track saw.

Hose is around $60 and the Festool end is $32 both from Amazon.

https://a.co/d/8EHRE1L

Amazon.com: Festool 500670 Coupling Sleeve D 36 DM-As/Ct : Tools & Home Improvement

Amazon.com: Festool 500670 Coupling Sleeve D 36 DM-As/Ct : Tools & Home Improvement

a.co

Ron

I saw this one when I was looking before and almost bought it. I'm afraid I'm spoiled by the smooth exterior that doesn't catch, although this looks like the better deal by far.

 

[Coen]

The smooth hose is awesome. Rather use the D36 smooth than D27 ribbed. It's just not the outer surface. There is a huge difference in flexibility. You can the smooth one in a Systainer like it's an unconscious snake, but the ribbed one ... you need to fight it first to make it coil right.

One option is to get a reducing sleeve for tools that weren't designed to accommodate the 36mm hose.

Reducing sleeve DC-D 36/27-AS

www.festoolusa.com

Well, if there is one awkward thing it would be that thing hanging on the back of your Domino. Because it would also increase the moment arm from of the hose hanging on the tool.

One thing I should mention about the reducer is it doesn't twist lock like pretty much every other Festool hose/tool interface. It just pushes on, friction fit.

I've never had it fall off a hose port, but if I'm not holding the hose, you can definitely feel the pull from the extra weight.

I want that old style back. I hate the bayonet hose ends. In the tools where the bayonet D27 hose end goes in the dustport it is more prone to clogging than the previous non-bayonet hose end as it's opening is even smaller. Also, the outside bayonet grooves fill up with dust when using it in dustports that predate the bayonet. That dust then drops out when you pull the hose from the tool.

On the D36 hose end the bayonet isn't that bad.

Oh, and Festool keeps saying you can connect the smooth hoses end to end, but mine can't. I do have a 50mm piece of PVC sewer pipe that allow me to do that.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The smooth hoses are indeed far softer/flexible than the ribbed style, though as Coen said, the older tool end was way better. It was more like a series of O-rings, popping over barbs, the hose slid one a lot easier. The rubber was more flexible too; it stretched over the fittings better.

Oh, and Festool keeps saying you can connect the smooth hoses end to end, but mine can't. I do have a 50mm piece of PVC sewer pipe that allow me to do that.

Mine does. The 36mm hose plugs right into the big end of the 27mm one.

 

[Hipplewm]

I had the same dilema, so I just bought a second CT - leave my midi on slower speed for sanding, Domino and Dewalt plunge router. The new - "Recon" CT36 is full blast 36mm hose for the 1010, track saw and Foreman.

 

[Coen]

The smooth hoses are indeed far softer/flexible than the ribbed style, though as Coen said, the older tool end was way better. It was more like a series of O-rings, popping over barbs, the hose slid one a lot easier. The rubber was more flexible too; it stretched over the fittings better.


Mine does. The 36mm hose plugs right into the big end of the 27mm one.

Yeah well my smooth hoses don't have that inner standing tube as shown on your 2nd photo. I can't connect nor the 27 nor the 36 to their own end either.