700 XL reference side with Domi-Shims

[bkharman]

All,

I am in a bit of a quandary here...I have a 700-XL with Domi-Shims and the small bit adapter and have used it successfully many a time over the past few months of ownership.  This weekend, I was building a contemporary plywood desk for my son when I hit a snag.  Up until now, I have always referenced the edge or surface of a panel with the Domi-Shim flat on it.  Works fine.  Actually, it works wonderfully!

I got fought up when i was now trying to Domino into a flat surface in the middle of a panel.  I carefully (thought I did) laid out the equivalent line to use as reference and proceeded to mortice in a few holes that were "off".  I know on a 500 it is fairly easy because you can reference off of the face or the bottom of the Domino.  My question is... Is there a way to do this easily with my setup?  I thought I had seen a vid by Paul Marcel but I can't seem to find it.  Any other 700 users out there have a good way to do this?

Cheers.  Bryan

 

[bkharman]

I think I found it.  I found #71 - Domino Crib Sheet - Mid panel joinery...

Still curious if others have something that works well, so far making my own "Marcel-o-gauge" might be my best bet.

cheers

 

[PaulMarcel]

The mid-panel joinery video was pre-700-XL (IIRC) so it probably doesn't point out the different offset for the XL.  The 500 is 10mm from bottom surface to center of bit whereas the 700 is 15mm from the bottom surface to the bit.  If you have the shims in place, you won't be able to stand the 700 up flat on the board. You could make a simple removable jig to allow using it vertically with the shims in place, though (especially if you do it a lot).

The Marcel-O-Gauge is more than a one-time tool! It's a once-ever tool!   Actually, I bet you could ask Seneca to print another one if you want.  Otherwise, just make a stick 10mm thick and glue a 5mm thick spacer on one half of it.  It's just a straight-edge you can use to draw the reference line based on an existing center line you want to use.  Handy nonetheless

 

[bkharman]

The mid-panel joinery video was pre-700-XL (IIRC) so it probably doesn't point out the different offset for the XL.  The 500 is 10mm from bottom surface to center of bit whereas the 700 is 15mm from the bottom surface to the bit.  If you have the shims in place, you won't be able to stand the 700 up flat on the board. You could make a simple removable jig to allow using it vertically with the shims in place, though (especially if you do it a lot).

The Marcel-O-Gauge is more than a one-time tool! It's a once-ever tool!  Actually, I bet you could ask Seneca to print another one if you want.  Otherwise, just make a stick 10mm thick and glue a 5mm thick spacer on one half of it.  It's just a straight-edge you can use to draw the reference line based on an existing center line you want to use.  Handy nonetheless

Thanks Paul.  I appreciate the reply.  I was going to make a "Harman-ghetto-gauge" (patent pending) by ripping a piece of hardwood down with my TS55 to the right thickness to use in the effort.  In any event, I love my XL, just ran into the first speed bump with it.

Cheers

 

[amt]

I ran in to the same issue, but the solution is easy to do.  I, too had to place mortises n the face of a panel. but I knew the domino would need to be offset a little, since the mortises in the end panels were done with a domi-shim.  So, here's how you do it:

(1) leave the domi-shim on and mortise the end of the face panel, so when the two boards are joined, the are flush at the end

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(2) Get whatever spacer you want to mark where the next panel location will be.  In my case the height of the panels I am installing are also the same as the spacing between each panel, so I just used the panel I am about to install.

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(3) Make a offset template with a piece of scrap.  You want to mortise this on the end, but do not use the domi-shim.  Reference from the base of the Domino XL.  You'll notice the mortises are clearly offset.

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(4) Remove the panel installed on the end, and install this scrap panel on the end, so that the offset is to the outside.

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(5) put the panel you used as a spacing reference back.  You'll notice that the lines for the next panel are offset now.  This gap between the line and the end of the spacer panel is the extra offset you need to reference the Domino from the base.

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(6) Place the Domino with the base against the spacer panel, and notice that center mark for the mortise aligns 1/2 way between the marks drawn for the panel.

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