A table saw miter saw hybrid, now I have heard it all

If I were a flooring guy, I would absolutely take a look.  Cutting maple floor strips with my TS was frustating the last floor I installed.
Partly because I didn't have the right blade and setup.
 
nickao said:
A table saw miter saw hybrid, now I have heard it all...

In the UK at least, these 'combination' saws (as opposed to the Elu/DeWalt 'flipover' style) have been around for years, at all price-points; have they really never been available in the US? Inevitably they're a compromise as far as capacity goes, but as a small lightweight alternative to an individual portable table saw &  mitre saw they're worth a look if you do that kind of work.

Lots of flooring/second fix (trim) guys use them over here.

Cheers, Pete

p.s. let me know when you get that mitre saw/coffee machine working ;)
 
Hello,
Personally, I'm waiting for a solar-powered bandsaw/jointer hybrid.

Does anyone know is such a tool is in development anywhere?

Thanks,
Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Hello,
Personally, I'm waiting for a solar-powered bandsaw/jointer hybrid.

Does anyone know is such a tool is in development anywhere?

Thanks,
Matthew

Only in your mind.
 
Good luck getting nice miter cuts after ripping a bunch of flooring. What blade would you choose? ripping or crosscutting? I guess they didnt think of that. I know the blade has retractable teeth that only pop out when you are using the miter saw and retract when using the table saw portion.

I really want a combination router/finish sander/handsaw. What the heck. That is the stupidest contraption i have seen in a long time. lol
 
Curious looking thing

Wonder what happens if you cut small pieces and if they'd fly back at you through guard?

Just doesn't look safe to me for some reason.

Dan Clermont

 
Good Morning,
Silly me, I honestly thought this was a practical joke, like the ones Lee Valley does on April Fool's Day.

But I just realized it was real.

Still, I wouldn't mind having a hydrogen-electric router table/table saw/bandsaw hybrid.

Thanks,
Matthew
 
Real and I guess very common across the pond. It is primarily designed for flooring guys and I could see it being good for engineered floors. But for fine woodworking you do not get the quality cuts becasue you must use such a general combination blade, but for flooring you do not need that at all.
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Hello,
Personally, I'm waiting for a solar-powered bandsaw/jointer hybrid.

Does anyone know is such a tool is in development anywhere?

Thanks,
Matthew

Yes! AL Gore invented it and he's waiting on his Obama stimulus check.
 
These kinds of machines have been around in Europe for years. My 1st one was exactly like that, but it was manufactured by an Italian company. I sold it to a friend of mine and he's been very happy with it. With a good combination blade you can both rip and crosscut with ease, but these things are very limited in usability - as always the combinations are an compromise of multiple features.
- crosscutting - capacity without a slide is limited, the angles do not go beyond 45 degrees and tilting is only available to one direction.
- ripping - ripping capacity very limited (45 mm or so), the bed is also very small, no tilting of the blade whatsoever (so only straight cuts).

I got a Bosch GCM-10SD (dual bevel) and a separate table saw instead.

 
Matthew,

Eventually, there will likely be portable tools like that Bosch combo saw machine powered by miniature fuel cells running on hydrogen or CNG.  But don't hold your breath!

Dave R.
 
Those things are actually already available in the US. I saw an article (I think almost a year ago) about them on JLConline. It was about the introduction of one of the Felisatti saws link. (I hadn't heard about that brand beforehand, but I'm guessing it's the Italian brand Jakiiski is talking about.)

I never used one of those nor seen any in action. I did see them in stores, and I spotted a few on other jobsites I drove past (I remember one that was installed on a Dewalt mitersawstand)

We did use to own a few of those flip-saws. An old Elu (now Dewalt), and an Elektra Beckum (now Metabo, it was a kgt500, very well built, but heavy).
 
If they are available here they sure do not market them very well. I consider myself a tool fanatic and never saw one in any store or ad in the US until made the initial post. They have been around for a long time just not in the USA. None of my flooring buddies have them so if they are available here no one is making it very easy to buy them.

Here is a close page for your link:

http://www.felisatti.it/new/1024x768/EN/catalogo_liv1.php?lang=EN&IDCATEGORIA=50&start=4

http://www.felisatti.it/new/1024x768/EN/red8.php?lang=EN

It looks like you have to order straight from Italy it is hard to tell from this site.
 
Hello all, I haven't been around for what seems an eternity (not that I have been much of a contributor to this great forum) but life's been busy busy and I made a promise to my fianc?e keep off the internet forums and  focus on real life for a while, what with the new apartment and work work work...

As for the Bosch GTM 12, I have had one for a while and there are a few things to say about it. It does cut very smooth, it does pack plenty of grunt and it is quite light for being so versatile.

The blade that comes with it is really good, one of the first jobs for the GTM 12 was ripping 2.5" of oak for some interior trimming and which it did well. The laser does the trick and the parallel fence is nothing short of outstanding, very sturdy and locks well. You can actually trim down very small pieces as well as put through sizeable chunks. Height adjustment is swift and easy.
Also, the parallel fence doubles as blade guard when transporting the unit.

The negative side is that it jerks up when operating it as a mitre saw, quite a kick, why no softstart?

Also, in both modes it chucks debris like crazy, which was the main reason I did not hang on to it, though I was tempted to keep it for other purposes. After a few small rips and cuts I ended up spending a lot of time sweeping the floor as the dust collection is ... simply put, underwhelming.

But, it is a solid, well built machine and very versatile.

 
Nick, here's a link to the JLC thing: link (I misspelled it when I searched for it earlier, so I couldn't find it on the JLC forums)
I just figured they would actually sell them by now, I found it odd at the time, because most manufacturers have combination saws in their line up for at least 15 years, and I couldn't see why that one could be sold in the US and not the others.
 
Nickao: yup, for flooring they would serve very well, I would recommend it! It rips well too, so for interior trimming it does the job as well. 

The main gripe was that the dust collection was a joke, the kickstart I got used to, but when you cut small pieces on the mitre saw it can be a bit intimidating.  ;D
 
Elu's been making these things for a couple of decades by now, altough they where a bit bigger and came with their own legs.

Strange you guys in the USA don't know them. The first one I actually encountered here in Holland was a DeWalt, and that was 12 years ago.
 
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