Accurate Table Saws UK

mac sparrow

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I've been after a table saw for ages now, but one that is super accurate.  The Mafell Erika looks great but at over £2k it's a lot of money.  I'd love to have an old school cast iron table saw but my circumstances are such that I need a portable table saw.  It seems in the UK our choice is pretty limited, Dewalt, Metabo, Makita, Bosch, Axminster is pretty much the only choice for top picks but how accurate are they?

The tracksaw and mitre saw are great; there are some circumstances when a table saw is simply a better option.

I've done a ton of research and I'm now at a stage where I'd like some real life reviews of these products.  The above makes might be great and accurate, I've just never used them before and don't know anybody who has one to try.

I wish the portable (ish) Sawstop was available in the UK.

Thank you
 
I have the dewalt won and u hate it's under powered 110v and the motor housing moves on the sliding rods slightly and if the saw bogs down alittle the blade moves and marks the wood I have used the 240v version and it wasn't that bad as the one as I got it could've a bad saw
 
Nippychippy said:
I have the dewalt won and u hate it's under powered 110v and the motor housing moves on the sliding rods slightly and if the saw bogs down alittle the blade moves and marks the wood I have used the 240v version and it wasn't that bad as the one as I got it could've a bad saw

ah man the 110v dewalt table saw is pathetic if I was given 10 for free I would crush every single one of them with my forklift.

I wouldn't give them away because I couldn't punish some one like that.

Its big heavy and w a n k
 
jmbfestool said:
Nippychippy said:
I have the dewalt won and u hate it's under powered 110v and the motor housing moves on the sliding rods slightly and if the saw bogs down alittle the blade moves and marks the wood I have used the 240v version and it wasn't that bad as the one as I got it could've a bad saw

ah man the 110v dewalt table saw is pathetic if I was given 10 for free I would crush every single one of them with my forklift.

I wouldn't give them away because I couldn't punish some one like that.

Its big heavy and w a n k

Come off the fence and tell it how it is man, don't dress it up ☉_☉

I looked around for ages and couldn't seem to find anything that would do what I wanted, so ended up losing a load of space to an old school cast iron table saw, for a couple of hundred quid.

It is awesome though. And a learning experience putting it all back together after it got couriered down from Yorkshire.
 
My 110v Elektra beckum saw is great. Had it years it's dead accurate and its never struggled to cut anything.

They're now badged as metabo and I don't know what they're like now.
 
the Erika will blow you away,i have the 85 though for more portability (site use) perhaps the 70 would be best,with the favourable exchange rate (euro/pound) at the moment you could buy the saw direct from a German dealer for much less,more info on the Erika can be found on the mafell users forum,i can recommend an excellent,english speaking, German dealer,pm me if you want his details.
 
I know the erika is expensive. I dont regret the purchase of mine. If I needed to buy a second one which I don't I wouldnt think twice about it. If you're wanting 110 not sure the dealers in germany can supply 110 if can use 240 then certainly look at getting from Germany. Also before purchasing it is properly best to get a demo. Thier is the pressio or a metabo type version not sure if available here in 110
 
I'd rate the latest Metabo as one of the better modest cost portables ... but I honestly couldn't bring myself to describe it as a "precision" tool.
 
Some of our american cousins might be able to help further. A lot of users on another uk forum love the saws from here.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwoodfordwm.co.uk%2Facatalog%2FTable_Saws1.html&ei=PbmBVefWFcLQ7AaGpq3QBA&usg=AFQjCNGTcupgIpn8I6LUmnDD2zU_aug1Vg&sig2=xAV6PFpuJGrb4SnS7i0LNQ

The smaller ones are usa style contractors saws, so someone from over the pond may be able to help with accuracy etc.  [smile]
 
How portable would you like it?

A Festool CS70 - with the add ons - is hardly portable. All the while I had mine it was shop bound. Great saw but too heavy to lug around "complete" and without the extension boards not working well with sheet goods.

I have a Bosch XC10 which is hardly a feather weight but it has all the necessities built in and handles sheet goods fairly well. It is accurate enough for site work and I got it because it does most of what the CS70 does with the add on extensions - but all built in. The sliding sawtable part is a bit wobbly but might be usable for some stuff, I have yet to use it though. If you work a lot with sheet goods I think the Bosch is good enough. If you want glue ready ripping you might need a better rip blade but Bosch blades are generally good. I would have to say the Bosch has done a great job so far when it comes to replacing the CS70 but we aren't talking high end furniture making but second fix and general woodworking here.

At the shop I have a large stationary saw and a Festool CS50 for small stuff. Sometimes the CS50 tags along on site as it is truly a portable saw - it does the job as a trim saw but if you need a saw that does most of it you need to look at the Bosch, Festool CS70 and the Erika 70/85. The price and weight penalty applies of course. Eight times out of ten I make do with a track/plunge saw and if I need to rip sheet goods the Bosch is the Boss.  [smile] I have no experience with the Metabo unit mentioned though.

I think "super accurate" is a relative term. I don't think the CS70 is more accurate than the Bosch for sheet goods - on the contrary I think the Bosch does a better job of repetitive cuts with sheet goods unless you are two persons handling sheet goods or unless you bring a heavy CS70 with all the add ons. For ripping I think they are both very good.

For very fine or "delicate" work I prefer the CS70/50 but I have never been embarrassed with the work that I have put through the Bosch. If I need better than that I measure on site and cut at the shop, simple as that.

PS
I did consider all the options mentioned in the thread myself but I decided not to invest in a very expensive on site table saw and went with the Bosch for the simple reason of dividing my stuff into shop bound equipment and portable equipment. I don't need another "semi stationary saw" at the shop. Between the Bosch and the Mafell tracksaw I can see most things through.

 
Nippychippy said:
I have the dewalt won and u hate it's under powered 110v and the motor housing moves on the sliding rods slightly and if the saw bogs down alittle the blade moves and marks the wood I have used the 240v version and it wasn't that bad as the one as I got it could've a bad saw

I've read to many bad things about the Dewalt to consider buying it, I have heard some good reviews though so I'm not sure it's all that bad really, perhaps bad batches, misuse or poor build quality?

skinee said:
the Erika will blow you away,i have the 85 though for more portability (site use) perhaps the 70 would be best,with the favourable exchange rate (euro/pound) at the moment you could buy the saw direct from a German dealer for much less,more info on the Erika can be found on the mafell users forum,i can recommend an excellent,english speaking, German dealer,pm me if you want his details.

Can you post it for others to benefit from or..................?  Thank you

wrightwoodwork said:
I know the erika is expensive. I dont regret the purchase of mine. If I needed to buy a second one which I don't I wouldnt think twice about it. If you're wanting 110 not sure the dealers in germany can supply 110 if can use 240 then certainly look at getting from Germany. Also before purchasing it is properly best to get a demo. Thier is the pressio or a metabo type version not sure if available here in 110

I have seen many of your videos on YouTube.  240v is all I need.  The Mafell I'm sure is wonderful but the accessories aren't cheap, £400 for this, £300 for that another £XXX for that, it soon adds up.  I'm not saying no though.  Thank you

Kev said:
I'd rate the latest Metabo as one of the better modest cost portables ... but I honestly couldn't bring myself to describe it as a "precision" tool.

:)  I have looked at the Metabo, I don't think I'm asking for much really, just after something that if you set it to 50mm it will cut 50mm accurately in a straight line every time, it can't be that much to ask?  Maybe my expectations are off? :)  Thank you

carlb40 said:
Some of our american cousins might be able to help further. A lot of users on another uk forum love the saws from here.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwoodfordwm.co.uk%2Facatalog%2FTable_Saws1.html&ei=PbmBVefWFcLQ7AaGpq3QBA&usg=AFQjCNGTcupgIpn8I6LUmnDD2zU_aug1Vg&sig2=xAV6PFpuJGrb4SnS7i0LNQ

The smaller ones are usa style contractors saws, so someone from over the pond may be able to help with accuracy etc.  [smile]

Interesting, looks very similar to Axminster brands, Axminster also sell XCalibur saw blades etc.

I took a trip to Axminster today to look at the Axminster Hobby Series TS-250M-2 Table Saw and Bosch GTS 10 XC Table Saw as they fit roughly in the same price range, nothing else they had was really suitable.

The chap helping me; lovely fellow but utterly clueless, poor guy.  The shop demo model of the TS-250M-2 was so out of whack, it was only useful for cutting up fire wood;
  • the fence was off
  • the mitre gauge had a couple mm play
  • when you set the width of cut to XXmm, it would be way off
  • it's like the tape measure had been stuck down in the wrong place
  • the horizontal sliding fence extruded metal thingy would catch on the edge of the table whenever you slid it forward

It was horrid, so we both gave up.  I don't think it's a bad saw, I wondering if the shop demo must have been hashed by so many tyre kickers it's now useless.  I just said, look I can't buy this as I can't trust it.  It does have great reviews on the Axminster website.

Then I looked at the Bosch GTS 10 XC and it was fantastic:
  • I grabbed a "GemRed" from the shelf to check the angle of the blade and it was within 0.5degress or bang on every single time, even at 90degress it read 0
  • The fence was square pretty much all the time, it did wander a few times at the far end so I had to realign it.  It did feel solid though and the clamp felt solid
  • The mitre gauge did have a couple mm of play
  • The sliding table is built into the saw, although limited by length which is understandable, it slid nicely
  • I couldn't get the blade to go all the way down, it felt so tight I thought I was going to break the wheel thingy
  • The extension table for additional length was easy to pull out, although it's only 3 pieces of metal rather than a solid surface so small pieces of wood will end up falling of the end so it's only useful for long bits of wood
  • The other extension table for additional width was easy to pull out, as above only 3 pieces of metal things on runners rather than a solid surface
  • It wasn't quite clear where to set the fence when using the extension but we worked it out, FYI you set it to 33 in either position
  • As Festool colour items green that have a function, like knobs or gauges etc, Bosch seem to have the same on the saw, any levers were red
  • Push stick, plastic blade cover plate for additional blade and wrench for blade change all attach directly to the saw
  • The saw was on the red stand and was a good height to worth at
  • The saw is huge comparatively so although its movable, you'd want some help
  • The blade up down and tilt are part of the same wheel thingy, it worked well although the blade release for tilt was dead tight but I'm sure that will loosen up with use
  • I would use a zero clearance insert if I get one

The above were observations only, I wasn't able to power them up and cut any wood sadly.

I haven't bit the bullet yet but it has been enlightening how poor the choice out there is, surely there is scope for a £700-1000 portable table saw that cuts accurately every single time, I don't think anybody sets out to buy a tool that cuts squint or not at the correct angle, even the cheapos, nobody sets out to buy that.

As nice as the Festool is, I'm not sure it's worth the money, I just want an accurate table saw that I can setup and start cutting within a minute or so without faffing about with modules and inserts and clamps to hold switches in place and stuff.

Maybe the cast iron beast is on the cards........................The Bosch felt pretty nice for what it is.
 
Phew, after my previous endorsement of the Bosch GTS XC10 I am glad you didn't totally dismiss it.  [big grin]

I am quite happy with mine. Haven't had use for it the last few months but in a couple of weeks it will be running hot at a major renovation of a house. :)

 
I have the Axminster ts200. While ok. I would save your money for something better.

On mine the cast iron top was bowed ( i thought)  So spoke to customer services and was told they would send a new top out. What arrived was the table for the sliding carriage, So another call to them, they then say they don't do the top for the main saw. But as i had already removed the top in readiness, i found the top was fine. The frame was welded out of square. Which resulted in quite a bad bow. From front left to rear right diagonally it was 2mm out of flat.  [scared]

I ended up using washers between the frame and the top to get it flat.

The included mitre gauge is only fit for weighing in. You need to make your own cross cut sled. Power wise it is ok. I have cut beech, oak, purple heart without issues.

Would i recommend it?  Doubtful unless you wish to spend a day fixing it's issues.  [wink]
 
I'm thinking I could do with a smallish tablesaw for when the tracksaw or bandsaw won't do it.  If only you could get an induction motor in something like the Dewalt 745 or that Bosch GTS 10 XC.  As far as I know they are both very loud.
 
mac sparrow said:
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I have seen many of your videos on YouTube.  240v is all I need.  The Mafell I'm sure is wonderful but the accessories aren't cheap, £400 for this, £300 for that another £XXX for that, it soon adds up.  I'm not saying no though.  Thank you
...

I have been wrestling with the same decisions. Bosch, Erika, etc.
The Festool Precisio is not cheap when you load it up. Maybe it is cheaper there, but here it is about a draw Erika = Precisio.

(Watching with interest)
 
I have this saw in the US(DWE7491) and If someone were to go with DeWalt this would be the one to get, not the 745.

Other than it being loud it's probably the best saw in this class. In the US, for me, it is the best in it's class, but we can't get some of the brands you can across the pond. Here is the 240 V on Amazon UK. I have had zero issues with the saw, its just loud as heck(as are the other universal motors). The fence is the best I have used in this class saw. The table was dead flat and I can balance a nickle on edge while it's running, it;s nice and smooth.

Dewalt DWE7491-GB 250 mm 240 V Table Saw with 825 mm Rip Capacity

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dewalt-DWE7491-GB-250-Table-Capacity/dp/B00KAFRUQM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1439298647&sr=8-3&keywords=DEWALT+table+saw

If a  fitting an be made or found(Metabo makes one I think fits, I made mine) so that both the blade guard and rear post collect, the dust collection is surprisingly good!

Not even the expensive 3000 to 5000 saws have very good miter gauges nor does this one, it's a throw away.. I never base a table saw purchase on the miter gauge, it;s not even worth complaining or mentioning. Just get a cheaper Incra miter gauge. The bench top table saw companies would have to add near 200 to the saw for a nice miter gauge so I prefer buy an after market and have a choice anyhow instead of it adding to the already expensive cost of the saw.

Here is a cheaper place in the UK and it comes with the stand, I love the stand. I have had no issues at all:

http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Dewalt-DWE7491-250mm-Table-Saw--Dewalt-DWE74911-Rolling-Stand__p-76323.aspx

Some have complained about the stand, but none have actually had a beak down that I have read about. although it's not fancy it sets up in seconds and when stored in the corner on its kickstand doesn't take up much room.

And to the OP question asking for a accurate saw. This DeWalt versions  is very accurate and precise. Once the fence is initially set up you can go back to a fence setting and rest assured the piece will be cut to the same EXACT size every time. The fence is rock solid.
 
Holmz said:
mac sparrow said:
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I have seen many of your videos on YouTube.  240v is all I need.  The Mafell I'm sure is wonderful but the accessories aren't cheap, £400 for this, £300 for that another £XXX for that, it soon adds up.  I'm not saying no though.  Thank you
...

I have been wrestling with the same decisions. Bosch, Erika, etc.
The Festool Precisio is not cheap when you load it up. Maybe it is cheaper there, but here it is about a draw $Erika = $Precisio.

(Watching with interest)
 
Have you looked at the Sawstop contractor saw? It is highly portable and well built. It also has the Sawstop safety feature.
 
Birdhunter said:
Have you looked at the Sawstop contractor saw? It is highly portable and well built. It also has the Sawstop safety feature.

Looking at it and getting one in the UK are two different things.

The Sawstop is not available in the UK.
 
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