air compresor in a systainer

[Brice Burrell]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Why would it need to be fireproof?

In case it caught fire. [doh] [big grin]

 

[Skylar]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Never thought of that. Could this be why we don't have the VAC-SYS here in NA?

                          Skylar

 

[jonny round boy]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Never thought of that. Could this be why we don't have the VAC-SYS here in NA?

                          Skylar

Seriously? So you guys over don't have any tools, equipment or appliances that have plastic outer casings? I find that very hard to believe...

 

[Ocram]

This one looks nice  [eek]
http://img.directindustry.com/pdf/repository_di/59303/aerotainer-200-compressor-in-systainer-3l-08gal-112267_1b.jpg

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Never thought of that. Could this be why we don't have the VAC-SYS here in NA?

                          Skylar

Bingo!!

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Why would it need to be fireproof?

I think that anything like that, something inclosed inside of a box or compartment, needs to make sure the enclosure will not melt and catch fire.

I don't make the rules, just have to deal with them.

Apparently some where along the line, people stopped using common sense when it comes to keeping themselves safe.

They should line it with asbestos. [big grin]

 

[Steve R]

It will never happen.  UL will not let it fly due to a systainer not being fire proof.

Why would it need to be fireproof?

I think that anything like that, something inclosed inside of a box or compartment, needs to make sure the enclosure will not melt and catch fire.

I don't make the rules, just have to deal with them.

Apparently some where along the line, people stopped using common sense when it comes to keeping themselves safe.

They should line it with asbestos. [big grin]

and don't forget to paint it Festool Green with lead paint. [scared]

Cheers,
Steve

 

[jonny round boy]

So,like I said before, do you not have any electrical equipment of any kind that is in a plastic outer casing?

 

[peter halle]

Yes we have all sorts of electrical stuff in plastic.  But maybe a different type of plastic.  The systainers are ABS to handle the chore of transportation.  Maybe the plastic properties come into play.  I have no idea.

Peter

 

[jmbfestool]

So,like I said before, do you not have any electrical equipment of any kind that is in a plastic outer casing?

I agree  with JRB cnt see it has anything to do with the plastic.     I have not tried but if you put a lighter on a systainer will it just fly up in flames?  I dont think so.  I think it will just go black and melt which is just the same as many appliances with plastic would react in just the same way if you held a flame on it.  

ABS will only set on fire and I think many appliances with plastic will be the same if its exposed to extreme temperature so like throwing it into a wood fire which it then needs to be exposed to for a small period for it to melt and then boil for the fumes to ignite.      Now to me if lets say the compressor gets so HOT that it then starts to melt and boil ABS for the fumes coming of the ABS to ignite then I think its the tool which needs looking at to prevent this as the tools should not do this in or out of a box as either way in or out of the box its dangerous.

If it was due to an electrical fault and a sudden short circuit causes this short burst of heat and flame this would not last long enough to set ABS on fire but just melt it.

JMB  

 

[Ken Nagrod]

So,like I said before, do you not have any electrical equipment of any kind that is in a plastic outer casing?

I agree  with JRB cnt see it has anything to do with the plastic.    I have not tried but if you put a lighter on a systainer will it just fly up in flames?  I dont think so.  I think it will just go black and melt which is just the same as many appliances with plastic would react in just the same way if you held a flame on it. 

ABS will only set on fire and I think many appliances with plastic will be the same if its exposed to extreme temperature so like throwing it into a wood fire which it then needs to be exposed to for a small period for it to melt and then boil for the fumes to ignite.      Now to me if lets say the compressor gets so HOT that it then starts to melt and boil ABS for the fumes coming of the ABS to ignite then I think its the tool which needs looking at to prevent this as the tools should not do this in or out of a box as either way in or out of the box its dangerous.

If it was due to an electrical fault and a sudden short circuit causes this short burst of heat and flame this would not last long enough to set ABS on fire but just melt it.

JMB 

I just spontaneously combusted trying to read that.  [tongue]

 

[Brice Burrell]

I don't think it's a matter of the ABS catching on fire, it's more likely about the potential of a fire from a completely enclosed compressor.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

The enclosure is not fire rated. 

That is what it boils down to.  Same with a compressor in a systainer.

Line it with asbestos and you would be golden.

 

[justinmcf]

i think the vac-sys is a compressor in a systainer.

isn't it?

justin.

 

[ApgarConstruction]

What is so great about having a compressor in a box?   I have one with wheels on it, and I can wheel it wherever I want and not carry it.  I know these are smaller compressors but I think some people just get so crazed about systainers that they think they are the answer to everything.  
they are WAY overpriced plastic boxes.     festool could sell them for a lot less and still make money on them.

 

[jmbfestool]

What is so great about having a compressor in a box?   I have one with wheels on it, and I can wheel it wherever I want and not carry it.  I know these are smaller compressors but I think some people just get so crazed about systainers that they think they are the answer to everything.  
they are WAY overpriced plastic boxes.     festool could sell them for a lot less and still make money on them.

Storage! Especially in a Van!  The width and depth dimensions are the same only height is different making it very easy to rack your Van out to maximise space! 

Aswell as being able to put your systainer any where in your racking as it will fit any where is a lot more productive as it saves time when packing up. 

Also when your on a job its looks very tidy when you have packed up at the end of the day and have all your systainers stacked up in a corner if you was to leave your tools on the job the for another day.    Having odd size boxes and tools like compressors so your not able to stack them looks untidy and waists space! and for your van the odd size boxes and tools then have to go into specific places in your van waisting time and space.

Also when you have racked your van out for random size boxes  and tools and then! One of your tools breaks and you need to buy a new tool which comes in a different size shape box OR if you just bought a new tool to add to your tool collection! you would have to modify your van racking to suite your new replaced tool OR an extra tool.

So umm No they are not over rated!

JMB

 

[ApgarConstruction]

It's a european thing.  I like stacking the tools but I think there has to be a line drawn as to what is stuffed into one.  compressors need to cool off and not overheat.  My tools go in the trailer most of the jobsites at the end of the day unless we can leave them setup.  My trailer is organized and neat.

my biggest issues with systainers is if you want something in the middle of a tall stack you have to move and unlock a bunch above it to get to it.  don't get me wrong,  I do like them for the festools that I currently own, but there is no way i will spend hundreds of dollars on empty ones just to store things.
they don't need to cost so much for  abs plastic boxes.

 

[harry_]

I was finally able to pick up a compressor on the cheap ($20) that has tanks that will fit in a systainer 4 or if necessary a 5. It will have to be modified. I suspect that the compressor 'head' will not hold up as it is a low end brand compressor.

For me it is all about the foot print in my truck. The Porter-Cable pancake that I currently use does not stack on anything well and nothing stacks on top it. That is 18-24 inches or more of vertical space that is underutilized. Additionally, I suspect that I will have room within for storing my 50ft hose and maybe a finish gun or two.

I have no intention of modifying the systainer to do this in case it turns into an epic failure. For no more than I cycle a compressor in my day to day use I suspect that having the lid open enough for the hose & cord to escape will provide enough air for it to operate without overheating.

As for noise, if I am going to cycle a compressor so much that it will bother me I usually set it outside the door or in a closet or some other room I am not working in.

 

[greenMonster]

i store any tool that can be stored in systainers i printed pictures of every tool and put it on the box..i can take in a minivan all the  tools needed to build a house from a to z  including fine furniture...i even squeezed a senco fusion 16 ga in a sys3 tlock...but a compressor in a sys even if they make it of aluminum ar a fire proof box that is compatible with systainers would be great to use specially and mostly with a pinner ...the think is i don"t leave tools at a job (brooklyn,ny in 10 years i had them stolen 2 times ,all tools aprox 10k at one time ) so taking it in and out every day is very easy with sys...at home i have a wall full of them..when i start a job i just look at the wall and i know what i need for that job ,i put it on the handtruck to the car ....for bigger tools i have the black plastic boxes(25pc) from home depot aprox $7 each...everything goes in boxes with labels on them...it change my work completely...i really thought its impossible to get organized before i found the systainers ..and that's only 3 years ago...people think "the plastic boxes are expensive"...3 guys waiting for you because u need to jump to the closest lumberyard to pick up some blade or anchors or anything else that u thought u have....that's expensive...it used to happen to me....now i have any kind of screw anchor bit blade at hand..i rest my case

How does the senco fit?
The case senco provides is a disgrace

 

[semenza]

Here is a thread about putting the little Senco in a Systainer.

Some pics and video.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/air-compressor-in-systainer/

Seth