Air compressor in Systainer?

[semenza]

Hi,

    Another air source when you don't need a lot of shots is a portable air tank.  I have a five gallon that gives me 75 good shots with an 18ga brad gun. On the other end I can get about ten with the framing nailer.  It won't fit in a systainer, but it is pretty handy to carry from place to place with a coil hose on it.

Seth

 

[Eli]

I've also been considering a Coke style CO2 tank. My friend has a bar, so it would be an easy swap out. HPA is a more desirable option for me than CO2 though. A carbon fiber 4500 psi tank is going to give you far more shots than any other option except a compressor. CO2 is a liquid in tanked form, shooting a series of shots can chill the internals of a paintball gun and freeze it up, I don't want to know what it'll do to the seals on a pneumatic nailer. The pressure varies depending on how full the CO2 tank is, because it needs to expand from liquid to gas.

Palmer Stabilizer seems to be the best regulator option I've found, they're in the $100 rangehttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/stabilizer.htm

and a tank like one of these:http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=HPA+tank&category0=

 

[semenza]

I've also been considering a Coke style CO2 tank. My friend has a bar, so it would be an easy swap out. HPA is a more desirable option for me than CO2 though. A carbon fiber 4500 psi tank is going to give you far more shots than any other option except a compressor. CO2 is a liquid in tanked form, shooting a series of shots can chill the internals of a paintball gun and freeze it up, I don't want to know what it'll do to the seals on a pneumatic nailer. The pressure varies depending on how full the CO2 tank is, because it needs to expand from liquid to gas.

Palmer Stabilizer seems to be the best regulator option I've found, they're in the $100 rangehttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/stabilizer.htm

and a tank like one of these:http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=HPA+tank&category0=

Hi,

  Yes, I don't know if the CO2 is necessarily a good idea. I just wanted to let people considering it know about a filling option.  In the long run a compressor is probably the best all around option. I have used my regular portable air tank on quite a few occasions.

Seth

 

[Eli]

So, FWIW, I made the jump today and bought the OZITO CO2 system, just released in Australia. Ozito is like a Black and Decker brand, not really super quality, but there's no other company offering CO2 at this time, so limited choice. The NA equivalent would be the Jacpac. The package comes with hose, regulator, fittings (they use Nitto fittings here, had to swap all the guns over, thread same), and a little backpack about the size of a camelback, a bit smaller. It was $150 and two spare tanks were $15 each, swappable at Bunnings, the HD equivalent. Guns both 16 and 18 gauge, the tank and pack, the hose, a plastic divider box with spare fittings, tire inflator, etc., four ratchet straps, and all my spare plug-it cables fit into one SYS IV. I'll let you know how it goes. If I can deal with not having a compressor, I'm going to go ahead and upgrade to an HPA system, for even more compressorless shots.

 

[Trevor H]

Here's a pic of the Jac Pac. with this 10 ounce co2 container they claim you can shoot 250 brads. If you disconnect a lot then i would say you get about 175 brads. I refill the cans at any sporting good store or paintball store for $2 dollars. The kit in the picture is the regulator, hose and cannister and it runs around $93. It easily fits in a systainer and you can use bigger cannisters if you have a bigger job. After i am done installing a floor I use this jac pac to tack up base shoe if it's a small job. Or you can use it for patch type jobs. They also make a kit that comes with a gun that is made to run off the Co2. The gun is an 18 gauge brad and staple combo. You don't have to buy the gun however, just use your normal gun. I have found no problems using c02 or air running through a pneumatic nailer, as long as you keep it oiled I don't see how the co2 would mess up your gun? If you buy the regulator, hose, cannister and gun it's around 150. Sometimes I use a 20 oz cannister and that only costs me $3 0r $4 to fill. Now you have 300 to 500 shots easily. The jac pac regulator fits easily onto your belt and is so light. and the components do fit in a small systainer because i just tried it! I do however recommend a 10 oz container if you are actually going to hook it to your belt. If your skinny like me the 20 oz can when full has the tendency to give me a bit of plumbers crack! Just a tad heavier!

My question is also this...... If you have a full blown compressor in a systainer, you still have to lift it out all the time to release the air pressure if you use it on a daily basis so that the water build up doesn't rust out the tanks. Plus, loud, loud, loud is all i think of when you put a compressor in a systainer. If you are looking for ease of use wouldn't this be a pain? And yes the video, although cool, made me feel like i was stuck in a horrible 80's video with that soundtrack! But i guess it gives you something to believe in eh!

Cheers

 

[Eli]

I think I must have 20 ouncers then. My concern with the gun was that if you fired enough shots fast enough you could get the seals cold enough to stick. But that would have to be a lot of shots I guess. I'm stoked, it's going to be hard not to waste that first canister just messing around with the gun. Maybe I'll hook the framer up to it.

 

[greg mann]

I think I must have 20 ouncers then. My concern with the gun was that if you fired enough shots fast enough you could get the seals cold enough to stick. But that would have to be a lot of shots I guess. I'm stoked, it's going to be hard not to waste that first canister just messing around with the gun. Maybe I'll hook the framer up to it.

Eli,

Regular compressed air also gets cold when it expands at point of use. This happens at expansion and mostly upon exit from the tool. Heat is the usual enemy to most tools. As long as you oil at proper intervals I don't see the CO2 being any worse on a tool. My $.02.

 

[semenza]

Hi,

      Does anyone know if the Jac Pac or similar system is avialable as the regulator only? Prices?  I don't really need a case. I have hoses. And I also have two 7 oz. and three 3.5 oz. CO2 bottle sfrom my days as an avid paintball player.
I think the 3.5 oz would be truly compact and portable!

Seth

 

[Trevor H]

Right now i know the jac pac is selling a regulator kit, but don't know about buying just the regulator. The kit comes with everything you see in my previous post pic and is about 53 bucks. You then get a hose, one ten ounce cannister, regulator and it comes in the kit. Hope this helps a little bit. have a good one my friend.

 

[Eli]

Hey Seth,
you can get a regulator only, or a regulator 'remote' kit (which is basically a tight curl hose and regulator) from Palmer Pursuit.
The one below they recommended to me for an HPA tank, but I'm not sure if CO2 connection is different. They replied quickly to my inquiry though, so ask them.
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=245

When you say you have hose already, I'm sure you mean a short paintballer's hose. A regular air hose would use up the whole canister just to fill it and fire the gun a few times.

I had another thought on the way to work. I bought huge cans of paint for the job I'm doing now. A hand blower with the regulator set on low pressure should be able to fill the open can of paint with CO2 before I close it. No oxygen would make the paint last longer, no?http://www.bloxygen.com/data.html

 

[rnt80]

I found this video on youtube, this guy put a compressor in a systainer, pretty cool.

Does anyone know what model of Senco compressor this is and what modifications need to be made in order to accomplish this setup?  I tried contacting the guy that posted this video but haven't heard back from him.

 

[tDot]

Senco PC1010, with the handle portion of the roll cage cut off.

 

[rnt80]

Thanks.  On the video it looks like the cord is retractable.  Is that a feature of this model or is that something that he modified?  Are the cord and the air connector accesible on the side like is shown in the video?

 

[peter halle]

My guess is that he / she has a retractable electrical cord reel mounted under the compressor.  Also probably has a short air hose from the compressor to the cut out in the side of the systainer.  Wish the poster had spent the time shooting better documenting video versus getting artsy.

Peter

 

[richard.selwyn]

Jonny Round Boy
Did you  ever get around to putting your compressor into a systainer?  I am fed up with carrying mine around as it always tips over in my van.  I am tempted by the Prebena, but it is pricy for a basic compressor.  (I've just bought some systainers from the koffeeshop german outfit - very good prices and speedy delivery and I've got an empty sys 5)

Anyone else any experience?
Richard

 

[tburritt]

If anyone is interested in the systainer mounted air compressor I have all the info on them.  I contacted the German manufacturer and also the US distributor.  I have the specs, models available, cost & availability.  They do not make a 110V unit in stock but can make a run to offer 110V.  The other option is to use a converter from 220V to 110V. Just let me know via PM and I can let you know what I have found out.  Its a cool system but to get it in 110V I would need to have others order them with me so the factory will make a special run.

Just thought someone else may be interested like I was or am.

Troy

 

[speed]

OK, well based on the positive responses here, I've decided to take it a stage further. I would say I've decided to actually make it, but this has the makings of one of those projects I never quite get round to carrying through to the end!

Anyway, here's the donor machine, along with size 4 and 5 systainers:

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As you can see, fitting it into a 4 would be much more of a sqeeze than a size 5...

In the pictures below, it's clear that the width of both the compressor & tank is considerably less than the width of the systainer:

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Which gives me lots of scope for adding one of these self-retracting hose reels behind the tank:

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Thanks to Brice for posting the vid that gave me the idea for this! With a retractable hose in there, and a mains connector in the side too, there would be no real need to open the systainer except for maintenance. This means that a Sys 1 or 2 could live permanently on top to hold the air tools.

what compresser is this please? 110v? any weblinks etc.

did you ever fit this, pics etc

i want to make one for when theres power available as nails are 50% cheaper than my 18v dewalt

 

[Texastutt]

There is another site where the guy cut off the handle of the Senco (I love my little Senco). put it in the bottom, hose in the middle and had his 23g pinner and 18g pinners on top. KISS

 

[jonny round boy]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I missed a few of these posts....

No, I never did get around to doing it. The main reason being that I realised I don't use the compressor & nailgun very much. I've also realised that I don't use them often because it's such a pain to dig them out & set them up.  [big grin]

Catch 22....

 

[rnt80]

My guess is that he / she has a retractable electrical cord reel mounted under the compressor.  Also probably has a short air hose from the compressor to the cut out in the side of the systainer.  Wish the poster had spent the time shooting better documenting video versus getting artsy.

Peter

Is there such a thing as a retractable cord reel that has a retractable male end?  I've looked but haven't had much success in finding one.  Everything I've seen has a retractable outlet.  Any reason why I couldn't just buy a plug and an outlet and switch them out on the cord reel?