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Well, I don’t own the Skil, but just looking at the spec sheet, I can take a few guesses about why it would be so popular.

When people talk about “best budget X” they’re usually talking about “relative to other things in its price class”. In this particular case, the Skil has a few features that are uncommon on jobsite table saws in this price range:
  • A rack-and-pinion fence, which offers more rigidity than a single-end clamp fence
  • It uses standard ten inch table saw blades and supports an eight inch dado stack
  • It offers blade parallelism alignment, which makes the miter slots actually usable for precision cuts
The previous gold standard for cheap jobsite saws was generally considered to be DeWalt, but this saw costs $100 less than DeWalt’s 8 1/4” table saw while offering features typically only found in saws twice its price or more.

So, what would you get from stepping up from this to a CSC SYS 50? Well, the most obvious answer is portability: it’s cordless, more compact and integrates with existing Systainer storage for people who are already heavily invested into the Festool system. Digital adjustment of the blade height and angle are also a big plus if you need to make a lot of small precision cuts. You lose the rack-and-pinion fence and a significant amount of rip capacity but gain the sliding table for high-precision, repeatable crosscuts. And if you’ve got Festool’s 60mm track saws, the blades are interchangeable. I would also expect the dust collection on the CSC to be better just based on Festool’s general design philosophy, though that’s strictly a guess as I’ve never used the Skil.

These saws are really targeted at completely different use cases, though, despite both being jobsite table saws. The Skil is aimed at people doing rough carpentry work with larger workpieces, while the Festool is aimed at people doing high-precision work on smaller pieces. The sliding table is largely useless to someone doing framing work but probably accounts for a significant portion of the cost of the CSC because of the manufacturing complexity.
 
woodferret said:
onocoffee said:
krudawg said:
I bought one of this SKIL table saws to take up to the cabin and it is is very nice "Cheap" saw

So how does it compare to the K3 Winner?

How does it compare to the K3 Winner?  Well, it's easier to move around and the ON/OFF Switch is easier to find. And a hell of a let cheaper with a smaller footprint.  I bought one just to have one up in the cabin where we summer to get away from the Arizona heat.

I've learned over the years, that only 1% of the people appreciate the answer to 'which is better' questions being 'it depends, what are your constraints'.  A) it requires deep reflection, B) it intimidates.  With something more disparate like Skil vs K3 vs CSC50 vs Sawstop it's bounds more difficult than say recommending a KSC60 vs KS120.  It's a big ask to pose that sort of question and expect a readily digestible answer or video. 

I don't know if the demand/request is innocent, or you know the effort it'd take to properly answer and are just trolling.
 
Cypren said:
Well, I don’t own the Skil, but just looking at the spec sheet, I can take a few guesses about why it would be so popular.

When people talk about “best budget X” they’re usually talking about “relative to other things in its price class”. In this particular case, the Skil has a few features that are uncommon on jobsite table saws in this price range:
  • A rack-and-pinion fence, which offers more rigidity than a single-end clamp fence
  • It uses standard ten inch table saw blades and supports an eight inch dado stack
  • It offers blade parallelism alignment, which makes the miter slots actually usable for precision cuts
The previous gold standard for cheap jobsite saws was generally considered to be DeWalt, but this saw costs $100 less than DeWalt’s 8 1/4” table saw while offering features typically only found in saws twice its price or more.

So, what would you get from stepping up from this to a CSC SYS 50? Well, the most obvious answer is portability: it’s cordless, more compact and integrates with existing Systainer storage for people who are already heavily invested into the Festool system. Digital adjustment of the blade height and angle are also a big plus if you need to make a lot of small precision cuts. You lose the rack-and-pinion fence and a significant amount of rip capacity but gain the sliding table for high-precision, repeatable crosscuts. And if you’ve got Festool’s 60mm track saws, the blades are interchangeable. I would also expect the dust collection on the CSC to be better just based on Festool’s general design philosophy, though that’s strictly a guess as I’ve never used the Skil.

These saws are really targeted at completely different use cases, though, despite both being jobsite table saws. The Skil is aimed at people doing rough carpentry work with larger workpieces, while the Festool is aimed at people doing high-precision work on smaller pieces. The sliding table is largely useless to someone doing framing work but probably accounts for a significant portion of the cost of the CSC because of the manufacturing complexity.

I have the 8 1/4" blade Skilsaw - which 731 reviewed first.  I was looking for something to take up to the mountains where we summer to escape the Arizona Heat so I can do some light woodworking to pass the time.  I really like the rack and pinion fence and for light woodworking it fits the bill.  It' a basic saw to do basic stuff
 
Is there an existing thread in the Forum for video recommendations? I had this lady's video pop up and I think she can call herself a qualified woodworker/furniture maker

 
I believe she and E N Curtis share a woodworking space together in Philadelphia.  They have appeared together in several social media posts and taught some classes together.  She has been trained as a furniture maker and has written for some of the Woodworking magazines.

Peter
 
Mini Me said:
Is there an existing thread in the Forum for video recommendations? I had this lady's video pop up and I think she can call herself a qualified woodworker/furniture maker



I must confess that I'm kinda turned off by some women presenters who dress like a showgirl (revealing T-shirt or shorts) to attract views and following to their woodworking videos. No matter what they may have to offer in a project, I skip them if their titles appear in a search.

The marketing gimmick is too obvious that it has lost its appeal. Perhaps, they might have misunderstood what we really mean by "tool porn!" [tongue]

I'll take a look at the EN Curtis video shortly.
 
[member=57948]ChuckS[/member] - Is that to say you think Larissa is presenting herself in that manner?
 
Who is she? Don't think I've watched her videos.

Wait, the video link is for Larissa, not Curtis. I haven't watched that video yet. Is she revealing in her clips? [big grin]

Note: I usually download a clip and watch it to avoid ads and allow me to fastfoward or skip. I haven't download anything today, maybe in the afternoon.
 
ChuckS said:
Who is she? Don't think I've watched her videos.

Wait, the video link is for Larissa, not Curtis. I haven't watched that video yet. Is she revealing in her clips? [big grin]

Note: I usually download a clip and watch it to avoid ads and allow me to fast-foward or skip. I haven't download anything today, maybe in the afternoon.

Ha, judging by how much Curtis strips down, I can see why she goes into tank mode when working in that same shop.  But seriously, I think En Curtis wears less than most female woodworkers, and even is 'presenting' more than most.  LOL.

FWIW, I also end up in tank tops and shorts during summer/autumn so I think it's a weird to have that 'she must have her knees covered' standard.
 
woodferret said:
Snip.
and even is 'presenting' more than most.  LOL.

Snip.

Hahaha. Now, that kinda piqued my interest to look for her clips!!!! [tongue] [big grin]
 
ChuckS said:
Who is she? Don't think I've watched her videos.

NOT a channel per se, but one episode in the series of introductions to /portraits of woodworkers called "Call Me Mabie". Often intriguing enough to watch and once in a while way off topic.
 
ChuckS said:
Who is she? Don't think I've watched her videos.

Wait, the video link is for Larissa, not Curtis. I haven't watched that video yet. Is she revealing in her clips? [big grin]

Note: I usually download a clip and watch it to avoid ads and allow me to fastfoward or skip. I haven't download anything today, maybe in the afternoon.

I did not think she was presenting herself is a provocative way. In the Call Me Mabie video that is linked above, she's wearing a tank top with coveralls - an outfit I think is appropriate for the woodworking that she does.

And as Bert noted the series, if you look at the Call Me Mabie video about EN Curtis, you'll see he's wearing a similar basketball jersey (why people do this is beyond me) and showing more skin than Larissa.

 
Thanks for the clarification Burt and yes women who dress and act in an enticing way on YT don't appeal to me. There are thousands of enticing photos using women to encourage viewing especially in the boating videos field of interest.

I respect those men & women who go out of their way to learn a craft as Larissa has done and not simply build a fan base as Wilkerson has done but then I am not as wealthy as she is either so maybe I am the fool.
 
I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps the apparel chosen at times by those two may be due to the fact that they work in what appears to be part of an old warehouse in Philly that I doubt has air conditioning and probably gets hot and humid in the summer.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps the apparel chosen at times by those two may be due to the fact that they work in what appears to be part of an old warehouse in Philly that I doubt has air conditioning and probably gets hot and humid in the summer.

Peter

I agree with you. My concern is that we were applying an unfair (and quite ridiculous standard on Larissa) that we wouldn't be applying to Eric - hence the reason in pointing out that he's as scantily clad in the Call Me Mabie thumbnails. That being said, what does it matter what women are wearing in their videos? I think of the few women I've seen releasing woodworking videos and I can't think of one who I would have a question on what they are wearing. I certainly don't recall any female woodworker wearing what I might describe as "provocative" outfits.

In addition, different scenarios demand differing attire. Bikini clad women seems apropos and even natural in boating videos - at least the boating videos that my friends like to watch where different boats and passing through a channel somewhere in Florida.

But as an old and fat YouTuber, I get the frustration that comes when seeing videos from someone with decades of experience not getting as much attention as some young, beautiful newbie. However, I'd like for us to break free from applying uneven standards on women.
 
I enjoy the Essential Craftsman channel.  I haven't subscribed to it, but I probably should.
 
The only two I watch on a regular basis is Spencer Lewis’ insider carpentry and essential craftsman.
Both seem like they’re only sell information and not products.
 
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