Best hose size question

[Emperor Ming]

Following on from a similar thread, I wonder if anyone could give me the benefit of their experience.

I have a RO90, TS55 REBQ and a CT Mini.  I only have the stock hose that comes with the Mini, but I've not used it yet, and so can't say what size it is ([blink]) - think it's 27mm?

Firstly, will the hose I have work with both tools and give good results?  Secondly, is there an optimal option for hose size for these tools, e.g. 36mm, and will that size be ok with the Mini?  Would I need any kind of converters to accommodate the extra diameter for either the tools or the vac if I went for one of the bigger hoses?

Are all the hoses anti-static, or is that another wallet buster?

Thanks!

 

[rrmccabe]

I cant answer all your questions as I really dont have enough experience. I have had a CT22 for years but just started using it. So no expert here !

Anyway, not all hoses are anti-static. You can buy them either way. The Anti-static hoses cost a lot more but its probably worth it as they appear to be more durable as well.

I have a standard 27mm and then the 36mm.  In my case they 36 works better for everything I do except its more bulky to use. That said the 27mm does an acceptable job and is a very close second.

 

[tbellemare]

The 36mm hose is better for the saw. It will plug right in to the top of the MINI. Just remove the right-angle fitting.

The sanders need a 27mm hose, at least a whip end. The considerably improved airflow of the 36mm hose is way overkill for sanding except with the Planex.

Tom

 

[Emperor Ming]

Great, thanks chaps - so the 27mm will suffice (and work with both tools) for now, great.

 

[semenza]

Great, thanks chaps - so the 27mm will suffice (and work with both tools) for now, great.

Right.  The D36 is a little better on the TS55, but not so much that I feel it is worth getting just for the saw. If you get a router (except 1010) or the planer, or Kapex , then get the D36 It ,makes a big difference on those.  BTW, it isn't like the D27 does a bad job on the saw.

Seth

 

[ccarrolladams]

Both the OF1010 and the MFK700 routers only accept the 27mm hose fitting.

The reason I always suggest a 36mm AS hose with the track saws is not just improved dust extraction. The slightly stiffer and larger hose is far less likely to snag on the rail in use.

But then, learning to manage the hose as well as the power cord is part of becoming at one with your Festools!

 

[Emperor Ming]

Just an update to this - used my CTL mini and RO90 over the weekend.  I'm really very impressed with it - there was not a bit of dust anywhere at all.  Quite amazing really.  The RO90 is very powerful as well - surprised me actually!  It hoofed of material very efficiently, and the supplied sanding discs are awesome.  I think I can see why this stuff commands the price it does.

As an aside, my CTL mini seems to have come with a 36mm anti static hose.  I bought it probably about a year ago, perhaps just under, so don't know if those hoses were standard at the time and aren't any more, but it seems great.  Very sturdy and did the job just fine.

 

[oldie]

I'd be very surprised if your Mini vac came with a 36mm hose - unless you paid for an 'upgrade,' or, mistake by supplier.

You seem pretty sure, so just me being curious - by way of confirmation - how does it fit into your Mini?
As Tom said, to fit the 36mm hose, the right-angled fitting has to be removed first.
So, if your hose comes out 'horizontally' - you have the 27mm, or, if comes out 'vertically,' you do indeed have the 36mm one.

The ROs are pretty powerful aren't they?  Glad you're pleased with it.

Richard.

 

[Emperor Ming]

I've not checked properly, but the hose is predominantly black with green edging and has "AS" printed on it (in a circle I think).  As far as I remember, it attached to the vac with a right angled connection (which was already fitted so I don't know if it's a separate bit), but the part that fits to the tools is straight.  The tool end of the hose went 'over' the port on the tool if that makes any difference.

I didn't measure it, but remembered thinking at the time that it was too wide to be 27mm, but maybe it is.

It's like this one in terms of the way it looks: http://www.axminster.co.uk/festool-festool-anti-static-extraction-suction-hose-d36-prod820167/

except foe the end that attaches to the vac - as I said, that has a large right angled bit on it.

I didn't pay any extra - perhaps I'm wrong, or maybe I had a bit of luck!

 

[Emperor Ming]

Looking at Axminster, I think it could be this one actually: http://www.axminster.co.uk/festool-festool-anti-static-extraction-suction-hose-d27-prod852652/

3.5 seems about right from what I remember at the weekend.

 

[oldie]

LOL.
This query is a getting a life of it's own.
Just to clarify - the 27mm hose (that usually comes with Mini) has the right-angle attachment on the end of it;
which pushes into the body of the vac.
The end of the 36mm hose, fits straight into that same hole - no right-angle attachment.
So, a quick look at the vac should tell you which one you have.  [smile]

Richard.

 

[barnowl]

I have 2-36 mm hoses, and one 27 mm hose.

None have a right angle fitting. Just straight fittings.

Real simple test.

Wrap your index finger and thumb around the hose.

If they easily touch, it's 27 mm.

If not, 36 mm.

[wink]

 

[oldie]

Well - I give in.  [unsure]  Getting a bit mysterious.
Might have to get Sherlock Holmes involved   :-\

How does your 27mm hose end fit into the vac?
Presumeably, it has a 36mm straight adapter fitted to it??

Afaik, the Midi's and Mini's have always come with 27mm hose + right-angle adapter; which also facilitates
the storage of that size hose within the housing on top of vac.
Maybe incorrect assumption on my part.

Richard

(edit:  just tried your 'hose size test.'  It worked for me - nice one. [smile]  )

 

[AlexThePalex]

I didn't measure it, but remembered thinking at the time that it was too wide to be 27mm, but maybe it is.

A common misconception I encounter a lot of times with people who buy or sell used tools.

The problem arises when people think the given size (27 or 36 mm) applies to the outside diameter of the hose.

It doesn't.

The name 27 or 36 applies to the outside diameter of the dust port on the tool the hose is to be connected to. What is confusing is that the 27 mm hose has an outside diameter of 35 mm so people think that one is the 36 mm hose. And the 36 mm hose has an outside diameter of 50 mm so people think that's the 50 mm hose.  I've had quite a number of people already who asked me to pay the price of a 36 mm hose for one that was actually the 27 mm hose. Funny thing was, when I explained them how it really works, some of them thought I was trying to scam them.  [doh]

If the hose has a right angle adapter it can only be the 27 mm hose, there is no such adapter for the 36 or 50 mm hoses. The best way in the end is to identify the hoses by looking at their nozzles, there is a disctinct difference. One thing to look at is inside the nozzle. The 27 is ribbed inside, the 36 is not.

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[GarryMartin]

Has to be the 27, otherwise it wouldn't connect to the RO90.

 

[oldie]

[thanks]

(Related to Sherlock?)

But...where were you earlier?  [big grin]

Richard.

 

[Emperor Ming]

That's great, thanks all!  It must be the 27mm one - I remember the ribs on the inside.  Maybe the anti static version was standard at the time I bought it as I'm still pretty sure that's what I have - either way, it all works pretty well!