Best Sander: ETS125 or 150?

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The only Festool sander I have is the RO150.  Love it!  But as always, as another project comes up with new challenges I'm always eager to expand my Festool quiver.  Looking for another sander for smaller / finishing type jobs.  The RO150 gets kind of heavy for sanding on vertical surfaces like the many adirondac chairs I maintain, plus it's tough to get into tight spots.  On the fence between the ets150 and 125.  On the one hand,  I'm leaning towards a 150 so I can share the same paper as the RO150.  But on the other hand,  I'd like the smaller disks of the 125 to get into tighter spots.  Looking for advice from someone who has the RO150 and 1 or both the ETS's.  Do you find the ETS150 a lot easier to handle than the RO150?  Much obliged.
Dazed and confused,
Jim
 
Get the ETS 125.
it has a short stroke than the 150 and is a easy to manipulate, light sander. It's a great compliment to your rotex 150 and it's true that it requires different disks but there is a much bigger difference between the ro 150 and the ets 125 than the ets 150.

joel
 
Have both.  They are two very different sanders.  My ets 150/3 is the smoothest, most vibration free ros I've ever used.  Sands great too.  I actually bought the 125 first because I had a rigid 6" and wanted a smaller lighter 5" sander so I bought the 125.  It sands very nice, dust collection is great, but it has some vibration and can be tiring to use for extended periods.  It has it's place and if it was stolen, I'd buy it again.

When my 6" rigid died, then I bought the 150/3.

Since you already have the 6" rotax, get the 125.

hth.  karl
 
Karl, my ES125 and newer ETS125 both run very smoothly, not quite as smooth as my ETS150 but close.

Jim, I know the ETS125 sander gets mixed reviews from its owners, my experiance has been great. Most of the issue would seem to be the sander not running smoothly, there is the break in period, around 8 hours or so, after that they run smoother. The universial motor's brushes need to wear or break in to take the shape of the armature. Once the brushes have full contact with the armature, they the motor can run at full power.  This by itself doesn't make the sander run much smoother, what happens during the break in period is the bearing seals and sanding brake also "breaks in". All of these things together can help the sander run much better. I've aslo found that running the sander at full speed and turning the suction down on the vac helps.

Now, the ETS150 is without a doubt the smoothest sander I've ever owned, if fact this may be Festool's best tool, YMMV.
 
I have the 150/3 in addition to the RO150 and it's my most used sander. Sharing abrasives is nice and I haven't found an issue with the slightly larger size of the 6" machine compared to the 5" machine. It's also nearly vibration free. That said, the 125 is a very nice tool and if you don't mind having two supplies of abrasives, it's not a bad choice to compliment your Rotex.
 
Hi,

  I have the 150 / 5  and for finishing work  would recommend the 150 / 5 or /3.  I do not have the Rotex or ETS125. But it seems that the 125 may be the better choice for the uses you describe. Do to its handier weight , and size. I have picked up the ETS125 in a store and the shape of the grip seems quite comfortable.
      I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the same size abrasive  point. Get the right tool for the job.  Having the same abrasive size would save you some up front money. But in the long run you will have to buy more anyway.  If both sanders use the same size then it simply means you run out of that size sooner. 

Seth
 
I own the 150/3 and RO 150 and think that is the best possible combination -- for me.  It's all about application of the tool, so you have to make that call.

At one time I thought that having a common size disk for both sanders made a lot of sense.  It doesn't matter because except for one or maybe two grits, each sander will probably use different paper.  For example, 50 grit anything on the RO 150 is just fine; try to even think about the same disk on the 150/3 or 150/5.  Never happen, not in my back yard.

It's hard to go wrong, picking the best or two best of several great choices is not a bad position to be in.  Whatever fits your applications will be the best choice -- for you.

Good luck,

Richard
 
Jim,

Festool's array of sander's is by far the most complete, but it shouldn't be dizzying at all. Tye 150/3 is Festool's smoothest sander IMHO, but the ETS 125 is plenty smooth (unless you get one and there were a few with a counterbalnce or break problem). If you need to get into smaller areas, and want a ros, sure get the 125. You get 30 days to decide. There reall is no right or wrong answer here.

Bob
 
Wow!  Just a wealth of information and opinions here.  Ultimately, I'm taking a little bit of advice from each of you.  'right tool for the
right job, ... don't worry about same size paper, ...30 day return policy....all great advice.  With that in mind I'm going for the 125.  I don't like the sound of there being a lot of bouncing and vibration but it's worth a try.   

I like to buy new tools as needed when new situations/ challenges arise rather than buying just to have like many woodworkers I know.   And right now I need to sand the many adirondack chairs I have.  Each spring,  (OK, I'm late this year) I like to pressure wash these chairs made of western red cedar with no finish or oil.  The washing raises the grain and most times, blasts the grain to a rough splintery texture.  After, I finish with 150-200 grit paper on my little PC 5" ROS.  There are lots of vertical rises and also the back is curved so the 5" disks will work better than 6".

I'm reading Brice's post RE: Rubin paper and I agree they wear out fast.  Would Cristal be better than Brilliant for this application?  What grits should I start out with?

PS  I plan on purchasing the ETS150 soon after my next splurge for an RS2 when I need to sand a lot of sheet goods and face frames.  Hell,  eventually, I'm sure I'll end up with all of them.   ::)
PPS  Uncle Bob,  Look for my order presently.... ;)
 
On WRC I don't think you can go wrong with either Rubin or Cristal. I'll bet 80 grit Cristal will give you a great surface, at least for outdoor furniture, in a hurry.
 
Get the 150.

Get a RS or DS or Deltex or linear sander for tight spots.  The 125 doesn't buy you all that much more access compared to the 150.
 
Bob Marino said:
Jim,

Festool's array of sander's is by far the most complete, but it shouldn't be dizzying at all. .....
Bob

Bob, for tight places, would a Festool sheet sander be better than a ROS?

Steve
 
Alright Tim,  You have me on the fence again.  I'm gonna be goin by a Rockler tomorrow.  Gonna stop in and give each a test drive before I decide.  I'll keep ya toasted.
 
sToolman said:
Alright Tim,  You have me on the fence again.  I'm gonna be goin by a Rockler tomorrow.  Gonna stop in and give each a test drive before I decide.  I'll keep ya toasted.

From reading this thread since you posed the original question, it appears that most respondents did not give much consideration to the fact that much of the work you contemplate doing with your sander will be on a [nearly] vertical surface as you sand portions of those chairs.  Although the weight of the ETS 150 is certainly much less than that of any Rotex, it is also much greater (about twice) that of the ETS 125.  If you have a lot of vertical work to do, as I had on the trim of my house, I recommend the 125.  Like Brice said, I find my ETS 125 to be quite smooth.  In fact, just before coming to FOG this evening, I spent several hours using my ETS 125 sanding an old dresser I am restoring and refinishing.  The light weight and easy one-handed control of this 125 sander make it very useful for sanding many of the surfaces, with a little help from my Deltex and LS 130 for certain areas.  Due to the size and weight of the dresser, and my working alone, I prefer to leave it in one position and sand both vertical and horizontal surfaces.  I also used the ETS 125 to break all the sharp edges on the drawers.  That could be done with a larger, heavier sander, but would be more difficult for me to control.  The cost of abrasives for the 125 is not a big deal.  Some dealers will sell split packs.  I'm using mostly Rubin, and some Brilliant and some Cristal.

July 13 update.  After writing the above I finished refinishing the dresser (thanks Jerry Work for your manuals/tutorials on Target Coatings [Oxford brand] water-based finishes and HVLP spraying]. [December 18 update is photo below. Sorry, I don't have one of the Shaker table yet.]
 
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So I asked my wife what project she would like me to do next and she led me to the scratched top of our old shaker style table about 2 x 2 ft across its top and asked if I could do something to hide those deep scratches through the finish, which she thought was varnish applied by her mother.  I took it to the garage/shop and in less than 3 minutes with my RO 125 and some 80 and 100 grit Cristal had the top completely down to bare wood.  That is when I started to realize what I was dealing with - a true antique with most components made of American chestnut except for the turned legs which are curly (fiddleback) maple), handcut doveltails and a uniquely? sculpted drawer bottom and drawer back, countersink holes carved with a spoon bit and a few square nails holding the drawer bottom to the drawer back.  I switched to my ETS 125 for better control to strip most of the apron pieces extending between adjacent pairs of the legs, then used my Deltex to do the inside corners that could not be reached with the ETS 125.  I also used my ETS 125 to clean the underside of the top that extended  ~1 inch beyond the aprons and legs.  I think the ETS 125 is much easier to balance and control in this usage than the ETS 150.  I also used the Deltex 93 with its extended reach pad support to sand the inside of the drawer frame opening.  I also use the Deltex to sand the inside corner areas of the bottom of the drawer; the drawer was just large enough to enable use of the Deltex on the inside corners of the drawer bottom if I scrunched up the power cord and vacuum hose.  I switched to my Proxon delta head sander to sand the ~1/8 inch offset of the legs relative to the apron pieces.  The vibration/oscillation of the Deltex 93 is too large to do this effectively; the sander bounces and repeatedly slips off the inside corner, and is simply not as effective or controllable as the Proxon in this application.  [The Proxon is essentially a miniature version of the Fein Multi-Master in sanding mode.]  I completed sanding of all of the many surfaces and inside angles of this table and its single drawer in less than one hour.  Sanding the long spindle turned legs took about 7 times as long, due to need to carefully hand sand them and the complexity of the turnings and many heavy runs of varnish to be removed.

Now I have another color matching challenge as I refinish it, after I add a kicker to the underside of the top to prevent the drawer from tipping as it is pulled out.  I have no pieces of chestnut or soft maple to experiment with regarding the effect of various stain/coloring materials.  I learned that chestnut is a very soft wood compared to cherry or walnut.  The natural color of the top is much like an aged cherry - reddish brown.

As I examined this old table more thoroughly, it became clear that it had been very neglected for during some of its lifetime; inside I found the remains of several mud wasps nests and other evidence of near abandonment and exposure to extreme moisture, and many deep stains (which I have not attempted to remove).  I realize to the purist/collector I have probably further lowered the value of an antique, but my family will welcome its return as a much more attractive and useful piece of furniture in our home.  I wish that I could have photographed or videographed removal of the old finish; this project showed the value of having a variety of types and sizes of sanders.

Dave R.
 
Tim Sproul said:
Get the 150.

Get a RS or DS or Deltex or linear sander for tight spots.  The 125 doesn't buy you all that much more access compared to the 150.

I agree with Tim.  The sanders I use are the RO150, ETS150/3 and the DTS400 for tight spots and edge sanding.  My most used sander is the 150/3.

ps - When sanding Adirondack chairs, why not tip the chair on its back to avoid sanding vertical surfaces???
 
PS  Went to Rockler today and got a chance to play with both of them.  I ended up going with the ETS125.  First impressions was the 125 did tend to bounce with too much downward pressure but so did the 150.  But once I let up on the pressure and let the sander do the work it seemed fine.  I thought the minimal vibration was comparable between the two.  Anyhoo, that's what I ended up doing, gonna head out to the shop and split time between trying out the new sander and putting together my shiny new MFT3 that came today, courtesy of Uncle Bob.  Thanks for all your input!
 
Greg_R said:
What areas can a 125 get into that a 150 can not? 

Simple: Draw a square corner, draw 3 inch and 2.5 inch radii tangent to both lines. The resulting crescent is what the 125 will get that the 150 won't. Not a whole lot. Now put a rectangular form in there and see what you can get. I think the issue of the 125 having an advantage is primarily on the vertical where weight is an issue, as Dave pointed out. This makes the RTS400 an option because you can get into corners and it is lightweight too.
 
For me, it was the 150, hands down.  I bought and returned the 125 (I think that is the only Festool I ever returned) because of vibration and unpleasant feel.  The 150 has about the best feel and least vibration of any sander ever made.  It is my go to sander for anything and everything, although I have the RO 150, LS 130, RTS 400.
 
Smart alec here.

I find that Festool sanders are like pistachio nuts.

You may set out just to have 1 or 2.....

p.
 
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