BTI Pallet Style Inserts

yetihunter

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So, this is the place to field such questions.    [big grin]

Observe: 

Page 735 (or 25 of said .pdf division) and downward.
http://en.bti.de/pdf/bti-in-products-systra-safety-at-work-workshop-requirements.pdf

Observe:

http://www.workshopheaven.com/tools/BTI_Systainer_Inserts.html

Question:

Are these (toolbags) a Tanos product or are they specifically available through BTI?

I ask because I wasn't aware that BTI actually manufactured such things, and, secondly,
despite seeing and touching and feeling systainers for many years, I wasn't aware that
there was more to them than sliced foam and square plastic parts trays until yesterday.

Thank you to Lee Valley and Felder and BTI and not to Festool, nor Festool literature, nor Tanos of USA
(although I finally did manage to discover the bounty of english information at the .de domain?).

Strike that, my local dealer did have one of those plywood multitool holder stuffed in a box
contraptions.  It completely defeats the purpose.    2 seconds to think about it.  Still
need to think about it? 

"No more digging around for the right tool", says the 11/12 catalog.  The irony there is
I merely have to dig out ALL of the tools to retrieve (and vice versa) almost half of them.
From a watertight box.  What is the point of this product?

Furthermore, since Festool and Tanos are available in the states.  Why must I venture off to Canada
to discover things such as the 3-sided lid insert? 

Lastly, why must I come to an end-user internet forum to find out about existing products from a
company that literally advertises directly to me at least twice a week?  That's how often I visit various Festool
dealers.    Now, surely, I'd have known about the tool pallets for the lids, years ago....Via the end-user/evangelist internet forum.

Absolutely ridiculous.    [unsure]

Soooooo, first post!  Nice to meet you all.  I apologize for coming across as a total prick.  I'm aware that appropriate employees and vendors read these forums, and that's why I trailed off into what seems as a complaint storm.  However, I'm not actually complaining.  Show me a point that isn't valid, I'll show you...erm...I'll mow the grass in a dress.  That's always a good one.

Seriously, A systainer with a 3 sided lid attachment, two of those BTI pallets and a pair of mini systainers
would make for a killer hand-tool storage solution.  That solution has existed for a while.  It's also around $200.
Which isn't bad in comparison to other solutions I was looking at.    One store I shop
at has systainers in both the Festool section and in the case/storage section.    So why is this news to me?
Why do I need to order from three different countries to make it happen?  And you have an angle grinder tray?
And you have a power drill tray?  Annnnnd....if it wasn't for Lee Valley....I wouldn't know that you can stack these trays (although I don't want to). 

So, what's up?  [big grin]

I don't want answers to all of these questions, I merely need one.
Those BTI Pouches; I'm in the states, where do they come from, where do I get them?

The rest I dug up all by myself.    [tongue]

 
Hi interesting post [big grin] once you have seen the angle grinder and drill insert you will wonder why they bothered ..
 
Festoolfootstool said:
Hi interesting post [big grin] once you have seen the angle grinder and drill insert you will wonder why they bothered ..

Oh no!  Good thing I was planning on purchasing those trays to examine first before committing to such an expense.
This all began on Garagejournal concerning an entirely different case by Metabo (not the metaloc metabox), btw.
You can find my harsher criticisms there.

I'll know to come here for advice on the power tools when the time comes.

 
Welcome to the forum!

I know you actually only wanted an answer to one question, so in all honesty if you are looking for BTI products (according to their website) it doesn't seem that they have a presence here in North America.  You certainly could contact them directly.

Just in case you didn't uncover all this information in your searches:

Tanos manufacturers storage solutions.  They sell those solutions to companies everywhere.  It might be Festool, Dewalt, Bosch, 3M, BMI ...  Tanos also sells to dealers who sell their product to the public in some areas.  Tanos dealers may not carry all of the product line.  In your case the Tanos selection here is not as great as in Europe.  Perhaps that will change over time.

I suspect that BMI has Tanos manufacture the orange systainers for them.  They may also order inserts from Tanos (either stock or custom) or they might have some inserts made for them by other companies.

Festool dealers as a general rule only sell the Festool systainer options.  There are as far as I know only two current Tanos dealers in North America and you are well aware of their existence.  They might be willing to special order for you, but you would have to ask them about that.  

Peter
 
Workshop Heaven e-mailed and stated that it's BTI exclusive, as far as they know. 
They are uncertain as to where they're actually made. 

They're happy to ship to us.  It's about $150 for 4 pallets and the pallet guide. 
So looking at $230 with the necessary systainer 4 or 5. 

The 5 mayyy fit the lid multi faced pallet (ala attache tool case). 
The 4 certainly will not.    I'm considering another option of using the systainer 3 + pallet + picking foam.
And yet another option of the sortainer with larger drawers. 
 
If it can help you, I purchased few months ago several pallets from Workshopheaven for my Systainers 5.
The Sys 5 fits 5 pallets of 65mm and one pallet of 50mm.
Two things not told on their website:
-You'll have to fix a plate under your pallets if they have the same pattern because they are stacking each other (not sure to be clear)
-If you want to use a 50mm pallet on the top of others (as said by them) you'll have to do some adjustments (not a lot of work)

I'll post some pics in few hours to show you how I managed mine.

I think your choice is the good one, those pallets are very strong and it's in my opinion the best way to store small materials in systainers.
Better and cheaper than sortainers but it's a personnal point of vue.

Hope it will help you.
 
I love you.    I don't remember the soundtrack to Les Bisounours, but if I did, I'd be singing
it to you, My Christophe.  Can we settle for the Nouvelle Star rendition of Message Personal?

How is Sindy Sanders?  Does she still have those fancy dancy fingernails?  [big grin]

 
Hahaha !!! [big grin]

You'll don't have to sing this song ! I'm a bit surprised that those people are known in US, I didn't even know this girl since you have told me about her, really funny !

I'm very glad to see you so enthusiastic, so as promised I send you pics about those famous inserts.

My goal was to fit in this Systainer all the stuff in relation with my drills (C15 and Metabo hammer) : driver bits, drill bits for wood, concrete and metal, screws, screw anchors, etc...

My installation set is far from finished, I want to do some more arrangements such as cut some foams to maintain all this stuff (I don't like the noise by shaking it !)

As you can see inserts are very deep and it's possible to stack some littles pieces into cases.

They are also very wide and I think I will have to purchase a lot of things to get them crowded...  [crying]

Pic #5 shows you the 50mm insert that I had to cut about 10mm on all the width on the lower and upper plate.
In fact this insert comes flush with the hinge when others inserts are stacked correctly.

Pic #6 shows you that inserts who have same patterns are stacking together. I'll have to put some plastic plate under each of them.

Some may say this solution is not so practical at all because you have to take out severals inserts to reach the lower one, but it was for me the best way to keep all my things together in a same Systainer in a cheaper way... By the way, in a minor scale than your case I had to pay more shipping costs than material purchased (France and England are not so far at all)

Feel free to ask me some more pics as I've done a lot just in case !

I'll manage to find a recent Cindy Sander pic for you....
 
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Peter
 
Thank you Peter, I had hard times loading them too.
Maybe they are too heavy and it was the wrong way to publish them. Sorry if it's the case.
 
I worked in Reykjavik for a few months, years ago.   Met a lot of ex-pats.
Ended up hitting Paris for a weeks at a time.   Last time I was there,
Papillon De Lumiere was the national joke of the moment.  :0

Your photos really helped me out.  

Honestly, I was talking about something different.

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But, in the end, I'm going to go with...a couple of trays.   I can't do so many, but it's not going
to hurt me to stack 1 or two.  
 
Ok, no problem !

By pallets I was understanding inserts. My english is not as good as I would, sometimes technicals words are difficults to understand,
but that's also why I'm here, I learn a lot on this forum.  [smile]

If it convinced you buying one or two I'm happy with that !

The ones you are showing seem very practical maybe more than mines.

But in that case I think it is a personnal choice depending on what kind of job you are doing with, and the material you are carrying.

It was a pleasure to help.

 
Economics, both financial and real estate, come into play!  [big grin]

I also worry about (bti) accidentally lifting out the whole assembly
when grabbing a driver or spanner.  Also prefer to view tools "lying flat" vs "standing up".
If that makes sense.

 
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