can the extention wings be joined?

[MrMac]

On friday I was finally able to purchase a kapex  [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] and an UG stand. My local dealer showed me a neat trick with the extention wings (haven't bought them yet) by reversing them, thereby using the little "stop" as it were as a crown stop.

The greater part of my business is installing crown moulding, so I'm searching for something that is fast, efficient and accurate.

What I'm wondering is can the extention wings be added onto with more extention wings? I do know that they have a slide out part, and that would get me out to about 7'. I really need to go out about 12 to 14', for support. Can these wings in the extended position be attached to another wing, also in the extended position?
I hope that's not too confusing! if they can it would be the ideal set up for me- expensive! but I'm thinking that all my other festools were expensive also, but when I use them I don't think about the price, I think ' wow!'

I do have the Festool crown stops, not sure if I'll use them or not - my dealer said that I can take them back if I keep the packaging.

 

[jmbfestool]

You can not join the arm extensions together  you could fabricate something to join them your self.

Peter or Shane posted  on Fog before that turning the Ug Arm extensions around you can use them as crown stops a while ago. 

The Festool Crown stops do not fit on the kapex when you have the Ug extensions on the kapex

JMB

 

[MrMac]

Ok, I suspected that, but I wasn't sure. It kind of mystifies me, why don't these two options (wings/crown stops)  fit together? they are a natural combination for a finishing carpenter.
I cannot do crown without extention wings of some sort, and I cut all of my crown "nested" so I need some sort of crown stops. Oh well, guess I'll just fabricate some wings out of plywood or something. Thanks!

 

[Alan m]

hi there . what comes to mind is to buy a mft3 extrusion and cut off 6-8 inchs and bolting it to the crown stops so that the extensions attach in the right place. im sure a few 90 degree brackets would hold it there.

you could do the same to the end of the extensions.

 

[jmbfestool]

Well Festool is Designed in German which as you know is in Europe and we Europeans don't have much need for crown stops like you lot across the pond that the only reason I can see why festool didn't bother integrating crown stops.  I for one have no use for crown stops and all my joiner friends and many joiners I have met have never said they needed a crown stops.

JMB

 

[Brice Burrell]

Ok, I suspected that, but I wasn't sure. It kind of mystifies me, why don't these two options (wings/crown stops)  fit together? they are a natural combination for a finishing carpenter.
I cannot do crown without extention wings of some sort, and I cut all of my crown "nested" so I need some sort of crown stops. Oh well, guess I'll just fabricate some wings out of plywood or something. Thanks!

I say forget the Festool crown extensions and go with the old reliable scrap of 1x or plywood.  The problem is the Festool stops don't give you full support of the molding, this can be problematic with smaller pieces.  The 1x gives full support.

 

[tbellemare]

The Festool Crown Stops were designed to work with the original extensions. The only problem with that set up is that the crown is only supported right at the base of the saw. There is nothing to support it farther out if you're working on a long piece.

The original extensions also don't have a contiguous support along the entire length and breadth of the supported work piece. This can cause sagging if things are set up wrong. It's pretty easy to move the supports if the work piece requires it so I don't see it as a show stopper but a contiguous support with a secondary Crown Stop would be valuable if you're installing crown for a living.

Tom

 

[Brice Burrell]

The Festool Crown Stops were designed to work with the original extensions. The only problem with that set up is that the crown is only supported right at the base of the saw. There is nothing to support it farther out if you're working on a long piece.....

Tom

Tom, it's not so much the long pieces that are a problem, it's the small pieces.  You need a piece that's at least 12-16" long to have enough support to make a cut.  Even then you're only getting 6" or so of support from one crown stop, that's not ideal.  

 

[tbellemare]

I agree, Brice. It would be nice to have another crown stop on an adjustable support that could be slid up and down the length of the extensions. I might have just created a project for me...

Tom

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Who cuts small pieces of crown to make smaller pieces?

I don't care if I have a continuous support for the crown, you wont see me cut an piece off a chunk that is shorter then a couple feet.

I buy 16' to 18' lengths of crown and have yet to have an issue using the old extensions and the crown stops.

 

[mastercabman]

I have the crown stop and made myself extention wings by attaching a piece of plywood to my crown stop.
It is 48" long and 5" wide.I also installed an Incra T track with flip stops.
I will try to take some pictures and post it here.

 

[mastercabman]

Well Festool is Designed in German which as you know is in Europe and we Europeans don't have much need for crown stops like you lot across the pond that the only reason I can see why festool didn't bother integrating crown stops.   I for one have no use for crown stops and all my joiner friends and many joiners I have met have never said they needed a crown stops.

JMB

How do you cut your crown?  Upside down against the fence or laying flat?

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Well Festool is Designed in German which as you know is in Europe and we Europeans don't have much need for crown stops like you lot across the pond that the only reason I can see why festool didn't bother integrating crown stops.   I for one have no use for crown stops and all my joiner friends and many joiners I have met have never said they needed a crown stops.

JMB

How do you cut your crown?  Upside down against the fence or laying flat?

I believe that plaster cornice is more common there.

 

[Alan m]

cornices over here are usually either plaster or polistyreene

 

[Brice Burrell]

Who cuts small pieces of crown to make smaller pieces?

I don't care if I have a continuous support for the crown, you wont see me cut an piece off a chunk that is shorter then a couple feet.

I buy 16' to 18' lengths of crown and have yet to have an issue using the old extensions and the crown stops.

Think about pre-finished crown for cabinets.  You'll often need to cut a fair number of pieces and you usually need all of the crown you have.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Who cuts small pieces of crown to make smaller pieces?

I don't care if I have a continuous support for the crown, you wont see me cut an piece off a chunk that is shorter then a couple feet.

I buy 16' to 18' lengths of crown and have yet to have an issue using the old extensions and the crown stops.

Think about pre-finished crown for cabinets.  You'll often need to cut a fair number of pieces and you usually need all of the crown you have.

Not if you ordered extra to begin with.  I always get extra so the customer has some to hang onto.  That is just me.

 

[MrMac]

I've ordered the brackets from multi-blades, I think that's the best solution for me. I'll make up some plywood wings, 4 or 5' long each. This way I can attach them as needed.
8' would be nice too, but I can only get 5' into the back of my suv, so it's shorter ones for now.

I agree with Warner, I always get more crown than I need. There is no way I'm going to put my hand near the blade! ya I've done it in the past, but I'm getting more cautious as I get older the stuff is so darn cheap, a few extra feet will make no difference to the overal job costs.

 

[jmbfestool]

Who cuts small pieces of crown to make smaller pieces?

I don't care if I have a continuous support for the crown, you wont see me cut an piece off a chunk that is shorter then a couple feet.

I buy 16' to 18' lengths of crown and have yet to have an issue using the old extensions and the crown stops.

Think about pre-finished crown for cabinets.  You'll often need to cut a fair number of pieces and you usually need all of the crown you have.

Not if you ordered extra to begin with.  I always get extra so the customer has some to hang onto.  That is just me.

I know what your are saying but your making the customer spend more money just for your own benefit as you could manage with smaller pieces if you wanted to with no really disadvantage.    Example you could get away with 1 length of cornice or two but you would force the client to buy another one or two lengths maybe costing them £20 30 or even £80 more  just because you dont want to cut smaller pieces and then end up leaving large of cuts for them to throw away or to store away but never to be used again and if they where to be used again most likely to be damaged by the time they wanted to use it.

Thats just me

JMB

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Who cuts small pieces of crown to make smaller pieces?

I don't care if I have a continuous support for the crown, you wont see me cut an piece off a chunk that is shorter then a couple feet.

I buy 16' to 18' lengths of crown and have yet to have an issue using the old extensions and the crown stops.

Think about pre-finished crown for cabinets.  You'll often need to cut a fair number of pieces and you usually need all of the crown you have.

Not if you ordered extra to begin with.  I always get extra so the customer has some to hang onto.  That is just me.

I know what your are saying but your making the customer spend more money just for your own benefit as you could manage with smaller pieces if you wanted to with no really disadvantage.    Example you could get away with 1 length of cornice or two but you would force the client to buy another one or two lengths maybe costing them £20 30 or even £80 more  just because you dont want to cut smaller pieces and then end up leaving large of cuts for them to throw away or to store away but never to be used again and if they where to be used again most likely to be damaged by the time they wanted to use it.

Thats just me

JMB

An extra 8' of anything is negligible in the total overall cost.

I can pretty much buy any species of stain grade hard wood crown, say 4 1/4" for about 1.50 a foot, so an extra 8 feet is about 12 bucks.

I don't think even an extra 30 bucks is a big deal.

I always figure about 20% extra material into a large crown job anyways.

Of course that is why I have about 100 different pieces stored in my shop that are all 9' long.

 

[Deansocial]

we are not all blessed with cheap materials