Carvex 420 first impressions

[Scott B.]

I do believe that this video relates to the questions at hand about the Carvex, at least as much as the other videos previously posted in this thread.

 

[Deansocial]

If i did have to cut curves in wood that thickalt i would deffo buy mafell without a 2nd thought, yep straight to the dealer and buy a maffel portable bandsaw

 

[Rian]

@Coen : You should probably see a specialist.. Your hearing things that aren't there...
-------This:
Now the real kicker comes when you can understand the Dutch voices in the video. Starting at around 0:52 they discuss the following:
Man in background: Maybe the blade is too short
Man holding Carvex: Yes
Third person: It’s as if it’s oscillation is different
Man in background: If it’s too high [cut off by sound of Carvex]
------->is actually this:
The only voice at 0:52 says the following : "Nou jongens, dit is geen toeval meer!"
Meaning : "Well guys, this is not a coincidence!"

 

[Rian]

@Coen: my sincere apologies for my remarks (above this reply). I only checked my video's, I did not check Sanders video.
That was the video of the first day, the day we used Mafell w3 blades. And indeed the guy's are asking themselves why this is happening. Might it be the blade? Might it be a different stroke?
That is why they did it on the second day using the longer festool blades (provided by festool).
I am very sorry for my premature conclusion in my last reply, I should have checked all the video's that were posted, not only the most recent (or relevant) ones..

 

[Ken Nagrod]

So, where's the beef video?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=t5FZObBXp88&NR=1

 

[RC]

Seems that the review is coming up Slideshow - no comments is up and the video is promised for today.

From the slideshow it does look like they have worked hard on putting a bunch of jigsaws through the tests, thou I see a bit of Festool bashing happening in the selection of slide reruns of every Carvex 'failure'...  [blink]

What I'd like to know is which jigsaw would each of the testers choose today and why? And a realistic version of which one would be best for you all considered including cost - not just that Mafell because its the most expensive one and did well in these tests.  [wink]

 

[Rian]

@Reiska : if money was no problem, I would buy the P1cc. However, money is part of the calculation..
That's why (with limited resources) i would by the Protool. It's almost exactly the same as the old Festool PS300, which is a lovely piece of machinery.
Yes the mafell is a better machine (my own opinion), bur it also os more expensive.
The PS420 has some wonderful features (movable plugit cord, strobo light, weight, etc), however there is a lot of play in the shaft. You can actualy feel it with your fingers. How can a jigsaw cut straight with that much play on it's shaft.. With that much play even the splintergards don't work as they should.

That's why I would buy a Protool/PS300 (or a mafell if I suddenly got rich ;-) )

 

[JGVilla]

-The guy behind GereedschapPro has some personal problem with Festool

Yes, as far as I know that is correct.
But then you have to tell the complete story:

Sander was a Festool dealer but did not comply with Festool's mandatory fixed retail price policy.
He was selling Festool products at a considerable discount.
Festool consequently withdrew his dealer license and he did not get supplies anymore.

Please refer to the following memorandum:

http://www.omm.com/antitrust-risk-german-antitrust-agencies-continues-its-active-pursuit-of-resale-price-maintenance-cases-with-eur-8-million-fine-08-21-2012/

Hope this will give a more unbiased view of this topic.

-Jan-

 

[hockey_magnet]

-The guy behind GereedschapPro has some personal problem with Festool

Yes, as far as I know that is correct.
But then you have to tell the complete story:

Sander was a Festool dealer but did not comply with Festool's mandatory fixed retail price policy.
He was selling Festool products at a considerable discount.
Festool consequently withdrew his dealer license and he did not get supplies anymore.

Please refer to the following memorandum:

http://www.omm.com/antitrust-risk-german-antitrust-agencies-continues-its-active-pursuit-of-resale-price-maintenance-cases-with-eur-8-million-fine-08-21-2012/

Hope this will give a more unbiased view of this topic.

-Jan-

Most of the regulars on this forum are already aware of this as it has been discussed before. Why this dealer has an issue with Festool is not really relevant, only the fact that he does.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Just more evidence of what I've been saying all along. For Sander (owner of GereedschapPro), there is a personal vendetta at play: to seek revenge on Festool. This is being done with these "reviews".

Is there anyone here that still believes these videos and tests are unbiased? (Other than the testers)

 

[green fever]

good afternoon peter, sorry we never met up on sunday but my offer still stands if the 420 18volt comes before you receive yours i will get it over to you if you like i will put in a 400 updated 240v so you can compare old v new or just the new 420, not sure if i have the long blades but i do have the s75/4 FSG part no. 499441. unfortunately i can't get my hands on a maffell to date buy i am working on that at the moment , regards green.

 

[jmbfestool]

It was interesting to note that Festool were busier than Mafell at W12. These two pictures were taken within a few minutes of each other. I went past both stands several times and Festool always had the edge on numbers. The Mafell stand was well laid out and their equipment display was pretty good but they did not quite draw the crowds. I saw the PS420 and watched it being demonstrated. It cuts through 100mm section with ease (probably) just like the Mafell equivalent. I am pretty certain that Mafell are not prepared to condone the efforts of the Dutch dealership in trying to discredit Festool in a test that has been described, here, as rigged. Perhaps Mafell will have the guts to do something about this.

Peter

As Dean suggested and I agree with him.

The Mafel stand didnt have as many staff demoing the tools as regularly as the festool stand.  Festool where non stop demonstrating  the tools they where really moving must of been 6 of them.    

When going over to the Mafel stand it was 1 or 2 guys showing the tools you was interested in and like Dean said the tools they had where more specific  and VERY expensive tools.  

Festool was mainly showing the drills and Carvex which more people are interested in and can afford.

The festool stand didnt interest me as I own most festool stuff.   The mafell stand I was like  [drooling] [drooling] would love some of the tools they make! just the prices are to high to justify buying them.

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Alot of the numbers around the festool stand was due to the constant demo on there i think peter. I did notice the mafell stand was more aimed at the lagre timber frame type work mainly

You are partly right - they did have their track saws, jigsaws and some other small stuff. Their big stuff was more akin to the Protool range which TTS did not put alongside the Festool kit.

I am expecting to review the PS420 for my magazine very soon (like when someone remembers to send it to me) and so I was able to get a quick lesson on the saw and a demo. I asked for an extra long blade so that I can demonstrate, on video, the machine cutting really thick stock. I will do my best to address every shortfall that I have read about the PS400. If, after I have done the video, someone wants me to do further tests then I am open to sensible suggestions (I cannot be expected to buy exotic timbers, Corian and so on and I am not going to wear an orange T shirt).

I am sorry that we did not meet at the show. I met JJB and his chums - a great bunch.

Peter

lol JMB  [tongue] [tongue]

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Shane

I am with you on this. I have never seen such blatant mischief in my life. Now I bet that the CEO of Festool enjoys a respectful relationship with his counterpart in Mafell. If I were Mr Festool I would pick up the phone and just mention some of the facts to Mr Mafell. I think then there will be some regrets on the part of the Dutch 'reviewers'. They might even lose another dealership.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Everyone

Just to keep you up to speed - through my magazine I am about to review the PS420; it has arrived today. It may seem odd, but with all tool reviews I have to take all of the still photographs (for the magazine) and then the introduction part of the video before I dare make it dirty by trying to use it. I hope that by close of play on Wednesday to have some footage done and a new YouTube review ready for upload. At least this machine arrived nice a clean. Sometimes I am reviewer number 10 or more and the machines have been knocked around a little. This one looks brand new.

Peter

 

[jonathan-m]

Looking forward to it Peter!

 

[woodguy7]

I too received mine today, thanks TTS.  I don't have the long blades in question but Warren at Toolfest has kindly offered to send me some F.O.C so I can do the test myself.

Will update as soon as I've done it also.  But be warned, if its crap I will say as much.  If its good I will admit that as well.  I just don't have any faith in those reviews now & really want to try it for myself.

Woodguy.

 

[netik]

Hi everyone, this is my 1st message and after reading all this thread I am thinking to buy more and more the carvex. After this biased video and all explanation I will continue to buy Festool. As a hobbyist, each time that I use my festool equipment I feel satisfied. I paid for quality and I have it !

 

[peter halle]

I too received mine today, thanks TTS.  I don't have the long blades in question but Warren at Toolfest has kindly offered to send me some F.O.C so I can do the test myself.

Will update as soon as I've done it also.  But be warned, if its crap I will say as much.  If its good I will admit that as well.  I just don't have any faith in those reviews now & really want to try it for myself.

Woodguy.

I would expect no less. 

Peter

 

[Rian]

@Shane Holland : Didn't you just post something? Something about "everybody should dislike the youtube video's & write remarks beneath it"
It was posted somewhere between 10:30 and 12:59 on October 08…. But it suddenly disappeared.. Weird..

I thought this was an "open-minded" festool-owners forum.
If you would like to redo the test, be my guest! Nobody's stopping you! You've all have had weeks to post other movies dis-proving our results.. Nobody did..
And now your so "open-minded" that you actually asked everybody to dislike the youtube movies, just because your not happy with it..

What's all the hassle about? You all should be happy that we mentioned some shortcomings and virtues the different tools we tested. You don't have to do anything with it.. Ok, so the PS420 messed up while cutting through a big piece of wood, who cares?? (except maybe the 1 idiot that wants to cut big pieces of wood all-day-long with a jigsaw ;-) )

Sometime in the not-so-far-future, some of you guys might be looking at buying a new jigsaw. The only thing I hope to accomplish here, it that you pull-it's-drive-shaft a bit first, to see how much play it has.. In stead of bringing it back to Festool 3 or 4 times (like some of you have experienced with the PS400), because it isn't doing do the job like it is supposed to …
If you're addicted to Festool (if you have the green fever ;-) ), you'll still be buying a wonderful machine if you buy the PS300!

I don't care if you buy the PS420, the PS300 or the P1cc, I just hope you examine it before you buy it.