Cedar Carriage Doors

[Deansocial]

When I started using cedar I did so e research and found out about its oils etc.  so got a little worried about glueing it up soooo decided to do some test before hand.

I found PVA doesn't pond western red cedar very well.  I found it wasn't very strong it never failed like yours but I could easily break the joint apart with out any wood breaking off that's glueing with the grain and end grain to end grain.

so I never use PVA with western red cedar any more.  I use PU (polyeruthane) I have done a few test with good results  another good thing about PU it likes Damp wood and cedar I have worked on can sometimes be slightly damp.

I did some more research cus even thought the Regular PU I use does hold well especially glueing two pieces togetther with the grain.  Regular PU doesn't work as well as I like it to on end grain to end grain 

I found this Contruction PU which is brilliant and holds extremely well even end grain also it does NOT require pressure  even though I still recommend it!   Down side it has a extreme fast cure time!  [mad]

Jmb

good job it likes damp if theres a pond involved

 

[jmbfestool]

When I started using cedar I did so e research and found out about its oils etc.  so got a little worried about glueing it up soooo decided to do some test before hand.

I found PVA doesn't pond western red cedar very well.  I found it wasn't very strong it never failed like yours but I could easily break the joint apart with out any wood breaking off that's glueing with the grain and end grain to end grain.

so I never use PVA with western red cedar any more.  I use PU (polyeruthane) I have done a few test with good results  another good thing about PU it likes Damp wood and cedar I have worked on can sometimes be slightly damp.

I did some more research cus even thought the Regular PU I use does hold well especially glueing two pieces togetther with the grain.  Regular PU doesn't work as well as I like it to on end grain to end grain 

I found this Contruction PU which is brilliant and holds extremely well even end grain also it does NOT require pressure  even though I still recommend it!   Down side it has a extreme fast cure time!  [mad]

Jmb

good job it likes damp if theres a pond involved

[tongue]

 

[Vindingo]

Hey Vinny, how did the project work out for you? It would be interesting to know what you decided to do.

Rob.

Ya, eh? [big grin]

Haven't touched the doors in a month.  I guess you could say that life happens...

Back in the shop today.  I hope to have photos of the completed project soon! 

The wood needed some time to get acclimated to the climate anyway 

 

[Rob-GB]

Haven't touched the doors in a month.  I guess you could say that life happens... (1)

Back in the shop today.  I hope to have photos of the completed project soon!  (2)

The wood needed some time to get acclimated to the climate anyway    (3)

(1) Aint that the truth!
(2)  Yay!!  [thumbs up]
(3)  [wink] I use that one sometimes too!  ;D

Good to hear back from you.

Rob.

 

[Vindingo]

a couple new photos

mock-up of mullion design. 

Definitely not going for through tenons, still on the fence about the pins.  If anything they will be on the back side. 

Latest obsession when not cutting wood:

 

[tbellemare]

Making or playing?

Tom

 

[jacko9]

Good looking joinery Vinny.  That double haunched tenon should hold and the pins will give you added peace of mind.

Jack

 

[tiralie]

Looks good.
Love the look of that red cedar.
Are you planning on true divided lites or simulated?

Banjo, love banjo music. Men with Banjos (Who Know How to Use Them)
Tim

 

[Rob-GB]

Looking good Vinny, my personal opinion from 28 years in the trade is go with draw bore pegs on the rails into stiles even if you opt out on the muntins. Make them through rather than stopped, there is a tendancy to knock them in so hard as to cause the opposite side to "blow" out, it looks messy and a partial draw bore is less effective.

On your other interest... some people I paddle with have stickers....................."Paddle faster! I hear banjo's"  [eek] [scared] ;D ;D

Look forward to seeing final pics buddy.  [thumbs up]

Rob.

 

[Vindingo]

Making or playing?

Tom

playing... or at least trying to teach myself

Looks good.
Love the look of that red cedar.
Are you planning on true divided lites or simulated?

Banjo, love banjo music.
Tim

Thanks.  going with true divided lites.  The muntins will have a lap joint, then route in a rabbet from the back. 

I saw Steve Martin play banjo last summer, he is a great performer.

Looking good Vinny, my personal opinion from 28 years in the trade is go with draw bore pegs on the rails into stiles even if you opt out on the muntins. Make them through rather than stopped, there is a tendancy to knock them in so hard as to cause the opposite side to "blow" out, it looks messy and a partial draw bore is less effective.

On your other interest... some people I paddle with have stickers....................."Paddle faster! I hear banjo's"  [eek] [scared] ;D ;D

Look forward to seeing final pics buddy.  [thumbs up]

Rob.

I'll keep that in mind, if I do go that route.  I secretly think it will help me sleep better at night if I do draw bore pegs, but I just don't love how it looks. 

I love that sticker!  I'm going to buy one now 

 

[Vindingo]

Decided on the hardware today.  It's being custom made by a blacksmith in CT- should be fun.  Nothing off the shelf spoke to me, and it all seemed to be thin stamped steel, or "hand forged look" cast iron.  

half lap

 

The door (progress so far) on the left was built today.  I think with the XL, I could bang out a door a day at a leisurely pace.  

The next two doors will be built at the same time to speed up the process.  I still need to figure out gluing logistics, as well as trying to figure out where to store them over the next 4 weeks while waiting for hardware to be made.  

A nice surprise...  An old contractor came to the office yesterday and saw me working in the shop.  We got to talking and he mentioned that he had an old bandsaw.  He invited me over to take a look at it, but warned me that it was old when he got it 30 years ago. When he purchased his house, the previous/original owner (a 96 year old architect), left it in the garage. He gave it to me for $0.00 and wished me many years of happy woodworking!

Untouched for 30 years, I plugged it in and it runs as smooth as butter... of course it needs new tires and blades, but sweet nonetheless.      

1948 Delta 28-205  14" bandsaw

       

[smile]

BTW - this is the second free bandsaw I have received.  

 

[ericbuggeln]

Vinny, the world has enough doctors. Plus chicks dig penniless woodworkers, Eric

 

[Deansocial]

Over in the uk we have Kirkpatrick hardware which is good quality old looking stuff

 

[Vindingo]

Over in the uk we have Kirkpatrick hardware which is good quality old looking stuff

They do have nice stuff.  I don't think they sell it over here though. 

Kirkpatrick

others:

To me the difference is night and day.  I would probably buy the Kirkpatrick hardware.  The only strap hinges off the shelf I could find which I liked, were $260 each.  I need 12...  The guy making them for me is less than 1/3rd the cost.  Win win for me; support an artisan and get exactly what I want. 

I am also going to try to see if I can swing by his shop and see the process.   

 

[Deansocial]

They also do a ball bearing hinge in black which is good as I hate to see black handles etc then shiny SS hinges on stuff

 

[Vindingo]

Finally got the hardware, started install today.  The existing openings were so out of whack it was crazy.  Every single edge of each door has been cut at an angle that is not 90*

They are just kinda wedge in there at the moment, still need final trim, sand and stain, then hardware...

 

[Rob-GB]

Looking very good sir. The design fits the building style nicely too.  [thumbs up]

Rob.

 

[ScotF]

Looks awesome!!  BTW, congrats on your new to you bandsaw...I missed that from earlier. 

Scot

 

[Vindingo]

Random update... I never put up final photos!

the ugly flood light has since been switched

my mother made the stained glass

 

[Deansocial]

Wow that place looks loads nicer now