Holzhacker said:Guys have made some really good points. I think the best and hopefully the one Festool will pick up on, is that it really is about the bits. Screw all the sys, sort options. We need bits. I spend a lot of time using the standard chuck so that I can drill bigger holes. Bits up to min. 1" 1 1/8" would make drilling for me a lot easier. This really seems to be one of those situations where users don't care much about packaging and just want the product, drill bits. We have enough places already to store the bits.
Brice, I certainly thought that it was about the former, that is: "getting new bits, larger, more sizes and types"Brice Burrell said:Holzhacker said:Guys have made some really good points. I think the best and hopefully the one Festool will pick up on, is that it really is about the bits. Screw all the sys, sort options. We need bits. I spend a lot of time using the standard chuck so that I can drill bigger holes. Bits up to min. 1" 1 1/8" would make drilling for me a lot easier. This really seems to be one of those situations where users don't care much about packaging and just want the product, drill bits. We have enough places already to store the bits.
Okay, so what is this thread about, getting new bits, larger, more sizes and types or is it really about discounting the currently available bits in sets?
While I'd like to see both it might be unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future if at all. As Shane mentioned Festool USA can maybe put together some sort of set in a Sortainer (or some other container) of bits already for sale here in the short(er) term, can we as users work with that idea?
Inner10 said:Fastenal in Ottawa will sell to anyone with a heartbeat and a credit card. I think your safe to assume they would sell you a box of screws.
Brice Burrell said:Okay, so what is this thread about, getting new bits, larger, more sizes and types or is it really about discounting the currently available bits in sets?
Shane Holland said:I do know that there have been discussions to work out details for a new Centrotec set offering in 2010 but I don't have a time frame or specifics on pricing or contents. Members are encouraged, as always, to provide a wish list or ideas on their ideal contents for such a set. Your feedback is always welcomed and appreciated and often times influences our decisions.
Steve-CO said:Maybe if someone from Festool could provide a comprehensive list of the numerous Centrotec options then everyone could vote on which parts and pieces they're interested in. That should provide enough detail for Festool to work with as opposed to, "Bring it and we'll buy it."
Alex said:I got a feeling everybody is making his own interpretation of what Shane said.......
Alex said:....I can't speak for the American market but I myself would agree with those who say a Centrotec set in a sortainer is too much. Gosh, the cost of a sortainer itself adds so much to the cost of the complete set, it's not nice anymore. I'm not even fond of the centrotec set coming in a systainer. It's too big for a case of bits. I got all my important bits in a 7 euro box that's only 5cm or 2'' high and 30cm/12'' wide. The systainer only adds to the price and there's a lot of bits in it that will never be used.
I myself would prefer smaller (disposable) packages with certain kinds of bits. I'm thinking of:
- a standard screw bit set like you see of all other brands. 8 bits like PZ1, PZ2, PZ3, PH1, PH2, PH3, Straight small and Straight big.
- a wood drill bit set
- a stone drill bit set
- a concrete drill bit set
- a metal drill bit set
- a 3 or 4 piece countersink set of the most common sizes
- spade bit sets
I base this on what I use most, namely:
- Pz2 bit mostly. Pz1 sometimes, Pz3 rarely. Phillips, never, Straight, sometimes.
- wood bits 2 to 12 mm with 1 mm increments
- stone bits 4,5,6,7,8,10 mm
- concrete bits 6,8,10 mm for fischer plugs only.
- metal bits 1 to 10 mm with .5 mm increments
- countersinks 10,12,14,16 mm
- Spade bits 14,16,18,20,22,25,30,32,36 mm
Brice Burrell said:I like your line of thought, alter this slightly to better fit the American market and you'd have a winner.
Shane Holland said:Members are encouraged, as always, to provide a wish list or ideas on their ideal contents for such a set. Your feedback is always welcomed and appreciated and often times influences our decisions.
Alex said:I'm not even fond of the centrotec set coming in a systainer. It's too big for a case of bits.
Alex said:- a standard screw bit set like you see of all other brands. 8 bits like PZ1, PZ2, PZ3, PH1, PH2, PH3, Straight small and Straight big.
- a wood drill bit set
- a stone drill bit set
- a concrete drill bit set
- a metal drill bit set
- a 3 or 4 piece countersink set of the most common sizes
- spade bit sets