Choosing between Dominos - Videos

[Stone Message]

Hi Everyone

I know the subject comes up a lot and I certainly get a few questions myself about which Domino people should buy.

I have put together a pair of videos in which I try and steer people to the right choice. I am grateful to Seneca Woodworking who helped out. Their adapter for the DF 700 that allows the DF 500 cutters to be used is excellent but one has to have a solution to the cutter height issue that it introduces - it took me 15 minutes to make a distance piece to do the job.

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Edited on 18 March:
One of my regular viewers has pointed out a safety issue which I have corrected. This has necessitated me replacing both videos.

Peter

 

[orm8426]

Great videos, very informative!

What's your opinion on the best adhesive when using the 14x140 dominos on a medium to heavy duty application like carriage doors? Would you stay with something like Titebond III or would you go for an epoxy?

Thanks

 

[tjskinny]

Well done Peter. 

Only having the DF500 it is nice to see the comparison to the DF700.  If one were limited to one Domino, it looks like the DF700 would be the more versatile machine with the Seneca adaptor.

Also, thank you for all the informative videos that you provide to us users.

 

[Stone Message]

Great videos, very informative!

What's your opinion on the best adhesive when using the 14x140 dominos on a medium to heavy duty application like carriage doors? Would you stay with something like Titebond III or would you go for an epoxy?

Thanks

Titebond III is pretty good but if you really want that little bit extra then go for an epoxy. I would go for TB III as the mechanical connection (without glue) with long dominos is pretty good.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Well done Peter. 

Only having the DF500 it is nice to see the comparison to the DF700.  If one were limited to one Domino, it looks like the DF700 would be the more versatile machine with the Seneca adaptor.

Also, thank you for all the informative videos that you provide to us users.

If you are a professional woodworker then I would not mess around - I would get both machines. If you were a furniture/cabinet maker doing smaller stuff then the DF 500 would do 95% of your needs. Having the DF 700 opens up all sorts of extra capabilities.

Many thanks for the kind words.

Peter

 

[Drich]

Great Video's Peter. Thanks for your time on them. I do have a question on the narrow stock jig that fits on them. If you put it on the 700 and have the smaller bit adapter on it to use a 5mm bit and want to use 19mm stock is it still possible to make a spacer plate or the Domie shim from seneca with it to get the 9 mm center that is needed to be centered?

 

[Vanquish]

Great videos as always Peter.
I picked up the 500 last year, and it's been fantastic. After watching these videos though, I can definitely see the advantage to owning both of them especially if you do a lot of small projects and the size of the 700 might be a bit too large. That Seneca adapter looks pretty nifty though.

 

[Stone Message]

Great Video's Peter. Thanks for your time on them. I do have a question on the narrow stock jig that fits on them. If you put it on the 700 and have the smaller bit adapter on it to use a 5mm bit and want to use 19mm stock is it still possible to make a spacer plate or the Domie shim from seneca with it to get the 9 mm center that is needed to be centered?

I assume that you mean the Trim Stop used to put slots in the ends of pieces of wood. It is an added complication and the simplest way to cope is to have a piece of Perspex that is a dash narrower than the Trim Stop setting and just place it between the wood and the Domino when doing the cut. I know nothing about any of the other Seneca products and cannot comment on how they might help. I am sure that Rick from Seneca cam come in to answer questions in that area.

Although just going for the DF 700 may be tempting, one needs to keep track of all the compromises that that strategy might bring. Using a spacer, like the one that I made, is not too unreasonable but if one has additional gadgets to make or buy to make the whole thing work then it might work against your work-flow and cost more money than buying the second Domino.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

Great videos as always Peter.
I picked up the 500 last year, and it's been fantastic. After watching these videos though, I can definitely see the advantage to owning both of them especially if you do a lot of small projects and the size of the 700 might be a bit too large. That Seneca adapter looks pretty nifty though.

Yes, my post just above follows your reasoning. The Seneca adapter is well made and does exactly what it claims. You cannot tell the DF 700 created Domino slot from one made by the DF 500. But everyone needs to look at their own needs and weigh up the costs and the compromises carefully.

Peter

 

[Birdhunter]

Enjoyable and informative video. I have both machines. Bought the 500 several years ago and a project involving heavy components neciessitated the 700.

I think I will copy your idea of the see through spacer for my 700.

Thanks.

 

[Stone Message]

Enjoyable and informative video. I have both machines. Bought the 500 several years ago and a project involving heavy components neciessitated the 700.

I think I will copy your idea of the see through spacer for my 700.

Thanks.

I built one, years ago, for the DF 500 but it only had 3 mm Perspex so despite it fitting the DF 700 it was not thick enough for the job.

I cut the Perspex for this one with the Kapex with the speed right down. The centre line was done with a craft knife and the screws into the block of wood go through the triangular holes already in the Domino face plate.

Peter

 

[pettyconstruction]

Peter great videos
I was cutting a deck rail top the other day 2"x6" that has a 30 degree bevel on the end. The bevel is to join another board with the opposing bevel as the rail is longer than the board.
Could a domino at that connection be made? Is there a way to cut a domino into the end of a board that is on a bevel?

 

[bkharman]

Peter great videos
I was cutting a deck rail top the other day 2"x6" that has a 30 degree bevel on the end. The bevel is to join another board with the opposing bevel as the rail is longer than the board.
Could a domino at that connection be made? Is there a way to cut a domino into the end of a board that is on a bevel?

Both fences on the respective machines allow for 0 - 90 deg angles. You can also bore straight into a bevel if you don't have a lot of room for the tenon. Paul-Marcel (half inch shy) has a few videos on his YT site that shows the domino in angles and bevels.

Good luck!  I have the 700 and it is a most excellent machine!

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[Stone Message]

Peter great videos
I was cutting a deck rail top the other day 2"x6" that has a 30 degree bevel on the end. The bevel is to join another board with the opposing bevel as the rail is longer than the board.
Could a domino at that connection be made? Is there a way to cut a domino into the end of a board that is on a bevel?

Thanks Bryan for stepping in - I have only just got back. I have done bevels when I fixed a handrail join up a staircase.

Just post a diagram or photo if you need more help.

Peter

 

[zarek]

Very informative videos, excellent work explaining the two machines. Thank you  [smile]

 

[pettyconstruction]

Thank you Bryan and Peter , I think a 700 is in my near future because of that very reason

 

[orm8426]

Just came back to re-watch these videos and they appear to have been set to private?

 

[Stone Message]

Just came back to re-watch these videos and they appear to have been set to private?

My apologies. One of my regular viewers pointed out a safety issue which in retrospect I have agreed with. I tried to edit out the offending piece but YouTube does not allow a section to removed from a video. So, I have uploaded a corrected version but sods law had the error in both bits and so both have been corrected.

As soon as I realised the safety error I set the original to Private and have now deleted them. I have put the new links into the first post of this thread.

Normal service is now resumed !

I am sorry to have been a nuisance.

Peter

Peter

 

[orm8426]

Just came back to re-watch these videos and they appear to have been set to private?

My apologies. One of my regular viewers pointed out a safety issue which in retrospect I have agreed with. I tried to edit out the offending piece but YouTube does not allow a section to removed from a video. So, I have uploaded a corrected version but sods law had the error in both bits and so both have been corrected.

As soon as I realised the safety error I set the original to Private and have now deleted them. I have put the new links into the first post of this thread.

Normal service is now resumed !

I am sorry to have been a nuisance.

Peter

Peter

Ah I see, we'll have to dock your pay this month But seriously, no need to apologise and thanks for the quick response!

 

[Stone Message]

Luckily one of my regulars sent me a PM and suggested that I looked again at one of the things that I did. I agreed with his view that it was a safety issue and corrected it as soon as I could.

Peter