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awdriven said:
Even the switch doesn't matter much; it's the tail going from the switch to the wall that matters. The switch doesn't care if 110V or 220V is across it unless they went with too small a gauge, which is doubtful.
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Even the switch doesn't matter much; it's the tail going from the switch to the wall that matters. The switch doesn't care if 110V or 220V is across it unless they went with too small a gauge, which is doubtful.
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PaulMarcel said:
Not that simple Paul.
It's an NVR (no-volt-release) switch, which means it has a relay built into it. Therefore, it's highly unlikely that the switch would function on 120V, even if you changed the plug. I have no idea if you can open up the switch box, or if the 230V relay could be switched for a 110V one...
EDIT: just looked on EKAT, and the relay/contactor is replaceable. Another alternative however is that in the UK, there is a 110V version available. A relay rated for 110V should run easily at 120V without any problem; it would however depend on how close to 120V your supply actually was (ie where in the tolerance band).
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Hmm, interesting. I didn't know about those. Surly we could replace it with one designed for 110V. Or, some tinkering electrical engineer could figure out a modification to set the trip voltage to something we have.
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For those in the states, sign up for the doors and drawers class and you'll get to use it. 
We did for the raised panel.
We did for the raised panel.
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Alan m said:
Because it's not approved for sale. It doesn't need to be approved for use.
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jonny round boy said:
For your own use. But if Festool would let people use it during classes, Festool would still be liable if anything goes wrong. Those classes are sold, attenders have to pay for them.
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Attendees also sign a liabilities waver. 
Using it for me, put me on the fence.
I've already setup a nice portable router table that actually has better dust/chip collection. I really liked the different mounting inserts as already mentioned. Not sure that really fits my need. It does have a nice sliding table to use as a coping sled etc...
Knowing me, I'll probably have one when it hits here, but thankfully, I can be very patient on this one. Unlike me sitting on the fence about the Domino, bought that thing the day after class was over, it was such a short drive to Rockler.
Using it for me, put me on the fence.
I've already setup a nice portable router table that actually has better dust/chip collection. I really liked the different mounting inserts as already mentioned. Not sure that really fits my need. It does have a nice sliding table to use as a coping sled etc...
Knowing me, I'll probably have one when it hits here, but thankfully, I can be very patient on this one. Unlike me sitting on the fence about the Domino, bought that thing the day after class was over, it was such a short drive to Rockler.
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Alex said:
Festool have in the past (and I'm sure will continue to do in the future) taken prototypes of new tools to a small number of users, in order to get feedback. These tools, being prototypes, couldn't possibly be approved.
I'm sure Festool's liability insurance will cover the use of 'unapproved' tools in the presence of Festool employees in order to cover this. This would include using the CMS in the classes.
Festool are a German company, and as such they make sure they're covered for every single thing they do. They wouldn't use the CMS in classes if they weren't 100% certain that it couldn't come back to bite them.
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jonny round boy said:
That sounds logical. Probably the liabilities waver then that takes care of it. Here such a waver would mean nothing if the tool supplied wasn't approved in the first place. But American law is so different.
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The waiver does mean that here. Though attorneys can manipulate things here, hence we probably have a much higher
count of fictitious lawsuits. Probably why attorneys here have a persona of parasites. (I'm not trying to start anything)
The biggest discussion of not here was over liability, not so much UL as that really would be easy. The routers already approved,
the switch, just use the one Kreg or any of the other accessory switches that have UL approval, the table really has no other need
for UL approval. This was discussed a little in class.
Here people have sued and won cases of spilling hot coffee on themselves.
I'm sure it's just mainly as we term here, CYA, dotting the i's and t's etc...
I understand that, though I did in jest mention all the tools from Festool I could buy if I could win such a case.
That didn't go over well.
count of fictitious lawsuits. Probably why attorneys here have a persona of parasites. (I'm not trying to start anything)
The biggest discussion of not here was over liability, not so much UL as that really would be easy. The routers already approved,
the switch, just use the one Kreg or any of the other accessory switches that have UL approval, the table really has no other need
for UL approval. This was discussed a little in class.
Here people have sued and won cases of spilling hot coffee on themselves.
I'm sure it's just mainly as we term here, CYA, dotting the i's and t's etc...
I understand that, though I did in jest mention all the tools from Festool I could buy if I could win such a case.
That didn't go over well.
This is the fourth calendar year that I've owned at least one Festool, and this is the fourth calendar year that I've seen "it'll be here soon!". If I ever get to the point where I want one, i'll have a buddy in Liverpool go pick the stuff up for me and ship it to me, and use adapters for the plugs... cuz it sure doesn't seem like this is going to happen - ever.
b_m_hart said:
Maybe someone high up at UL owns big stock in the american tablesaw and router table companies....
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Ferstool had the CMS at the AWFS show in Vegas in 2009 and it was very, very nice. They only had the router module installed and it was the most sophisticated system I had ever seen. Very well thought out.
Hope they are able to get it through UL
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Dan Clermont
Hope they are able to get it through UL
Cheers
Dan Clermont
Dan Clermont said:
SO how is the quality/stability of the cuts, etc.
What I'm getting is this: I know it's not meant for large piece work, that is handled by other parts of the Festool System. But when
working on small pieces, does the system still give you the quality of a larger setup?
By larger I'm thinking of the monster I have sitting in the middle of everything, Delta Unisaw with a router table extension, and an Incra TSII fence setup. The whole thing is solid, and just locks down to be immoveable when making a cut. The Incra let's me adjust that fence in thousandths of an inch. The fence is also used on the router table portion.
Does the CMS have an flaws relative to this setup? How do you address fine adjustments of the fence? Getting the fence to be parallel to the blade? etc.
Thanks.
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Well.... that was almost two year ago and we just did half a tenon.
The fine adjustments were very positive and accurate, dust collection was what we'd come to expect from Festool.
It was very impressive
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Dan
The fine adjustments were very positive and accurate, dust collection was what we'd come to expect from Festool.
It was very impressive
Cheers
Dan
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