Compressor in a systainer for North America

[Mkholdings]

[attachimg=1] I guess they know we want this in North America.    I have a sentó compressor in a systainer #5 but I would like to have that.

What do you guys think about it? Do you like it?

 

[rnt80]

I'll take one of these in a heartbeat.

 

[jdm5]

+1

 

[Kev]

Yes .. can't wait for these. I'm looking to bring them into OZ as soon as they're 240V.

Story is they're about 60db .. in other words they'd barely interrupt a normal level conversation.

 

[overanalyze]

Sweet!!

 

[antss]

[member=34096]Mkholdings[/member]  - Is this just another homebrew compressor in a systainer ?

Or, something more official from TTS ?

 

[Mkholdings]

Real from cadex.  They are even allow to have the same t loc latch than Festool. I'm wondering why

 

[antss]

Interesting.

Aren't Cadex nailers that green color too ?

The t-locs aren't branded with a tanos/festool logo so I can't really see a big issue there.

 

[peter halle]

Interesting.

Aren't Cadex nailers that green color too ?

The t-locs aren't branded with a tanos/festool logo so I can't really see a big issue there.

The Festool Green latches were at one time exclusively for Festool products and could only be obtained thru Festool.  I know this because when I did the Fogtainer project years ago I had to get special permission from the highest levels at Festool in Germany to get the green latches thru Tanos.

It appears that times have changed.

Peter

 

[Tmakita]

seems to be a tankless version , there is a T-loc 3

 

[antss]

Peter - maybe it's time for t-loc FOGtainer ???

Might take the spotlight off of the Pro5 debacle and give something positive to kibitz about.

 

[Cochese]

Peter - maybe it's time for t-loc FOGtainer ???

Might take the spotlight off of the Pro5 debacle and give something positive to kibitz about.

I'd second that, the first was before my time.

The dark blue systainer should be standard it's so good looking.

 

[Vondawg]

Cadex sells thier guns in systainers too....the compressor doesn't come out till Feb/17 for around $500/600 ($750 ca)..not too bad.

 

[antss]

That sounds pretty high to me for what must be a low volume , low pressure compressor.  [eek]

I'd expect to pay a premium for the form factor , but not double the cost of a similar spec'd compresor.

 

[nickao]

Festool users already pay double for similarly performing tools, some would say for some tools that aren't even as good. The Makita BO6050J and Bosch 1250 Devs 6" sanders are as good and many people believe even better than the Festool Rotex 150 at LESS than 50% the cost. Still, many of us choose the Rotex.

My point is many times the final cost or overall value isn't the determining factor for woodworkers tool choices.

I will be on a the waiting list for one of these and know darn well I can get something as good for 1/2 the cost, I just like the simplicity of buying it this way.

 

[peter halle]

[member=727]antss[/member] [member=26457]Cochese[/member]

I agree that something like this could be a great thing and that those colors pop.  Strange that the color combo is available from Tanos and also that limited edition items come in a similar combo.

I am not opposed to trying something similar again if I can get the necessary cooperation from the suppliers to make it viable.  The last time I inquired I was looking at doing the Minis and the deal was undoable from my view point.

I have a wild thought in my head and will make an inquiry to see if...

Peter

 

[antss]

you do realize that this isn't a 'festool" compressor right ?

I agree with you on the economic theory, however, I'm pretty sure cadex's market position doesn't warrant or justify double the cost.  I also agree that some people choose to pay more for less just to remain in the um....family, so to speak.

For a while Rotex was the only game in town.  That old Porter Cable 97366 predated it for decades - but it was basically a grinder with a sanding pad/counterweight screwed on.  Dust collection wasn't even a afterthought.  PC did own the portable sander market for a long time though.  Bosch's had one turn of the century too to compete , but I don't recall it begin marketed to woodworkers.  I think maikita's was last to the table.  None were dual mode or had through pad dust collection though.

And it's only in the last few years that both have refined their offerings to incorporate dual modes, and dust collection.    I think it interesting that PC hasn't brought theirs into the new century.  So, for me that 150ro kinda defined the category before there were those bosch and makita options

 

[Rip Van Winkle]

you do realize that this isn't a 'festool" compressor right ?

I agree with you on the economic theory, however, I'm pretty sure cadex's market position doesn't warrant or justify double the cost.  I also agree that some people choose to pay more for less just to remain in the um....family, so to speak.

For a while Rotex was the only game in town.  That old Porter Cable 97366 predated it for decades - but it was basically a grinder with a sanding pad/counterweight screwed on.  Dust collection wasn't even a afterthought.  PC did own the portable sander market for a long time though.  Bosch's had one turn of the century too to compete , but I don't recall it begin marketed to woodworkers.  I think maikita's was last to the table.  None were dual mode or had through pad dust collection though.

And it's only in the last few years that both have refined their offerings to incorporate dual modes, and dust collection.    I think it interesting that PC hasn't brought theirs into the new century.  So, for me that 150ro kinda defined the category before there were those bosch and makita options

I don't know whether Cadex tools are "worth" the extra cost, but when I check the price of their nail guns, they where significantly more expensive than many of the other brands that are routinely mentioned by professionals, like Senco and Bostich. The price was usually closer to what gets charged for specialty industrial tools. The compressor seems to be similarly priced. Hopefully it is actually made to be durable rather, rather than an overpriced, breakage prone, small compressor in a box.

As for dual mode sanders, they're "new", but but not necessarily that new. In the USA I think they go back 15 to 20 years, or at least that's when I first saw mention of them. Right-angle random orbit sanders go back further.

Milwaukee manufactured a right angle random orbit sander that goes back to at least 1992, and they even manufactured a dust shroud so that the sander could be connected to a vacuum, although the dust shroud might have been a separate accessory that had to be purchased. AEG also produced more than one right angle random orbit sanders that go back at least that far, if not further. Bith companies at the time were owned by Atlas Copco, but I believe the models were made differently. There was also a cordless version of the AEG sander. This was back when the AEG tools had a black body. I believe the AEG sanders also had dust collection.

Dewalt, Black & Decker, and Elu also produced right angle random ordit sanders as well. I believe these may have all been rebrands if the Black & Decker Industrial version, and were all sold at about the same time. All versions had dust collection. The Dewalt version, model DW443, is either still made, or it was up until recently. It was also used by professionals, as I presume the Elu and Black & Decker versions were.

Fein also sold a couple right angle random orbit sanders with dust collection. It's still possible to find them for sale. I'm not sure how far the design goes back, but I have a price list from 1998 that lists one of the models, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was around a decade or more before that.

Porter Cable manufactured a few different versions of a right angle random orbit sander. I don't believe the one you mentioned was the earliest. I'm not sure whether any or most of the models came with dust collection, but there was a dust collection adaptor kit available for the sanders that may have been useable with most or all of the models. The Porter Cable sander may have been seen most often in proffesional shops, because back before Pentair sold Porter Cable to Black & Decker, Porter Cable was probably considered "the" brand if you wanted portable power hand tools for "industrial" use in the USA. Their market was probably similar to where Festool, Mafell, Lamello, or Virutex are today in different markets. Porter Cable likely hasn't upgraded the sander, because B&D is discontinued most of the specialty industrial tools, and is using the brand as a mid tier brand to compete with lower priced Makita, Ryobi, or Ridgid tools.

The oldest mention of Dual mode random orbit sanders I can find in the USA is the Festo RO150E, and Metabo SXE450. The Metabo actually only had dual orbit sizes rather than dual modes. Both go back to at least 1998 and possibly further.

According to the Festool history timeline, Festool has been manufacturing a right angle random orbit sander since at least 1976, and the dual mode rotex sanders came out in 1984.

 

[antss]

That PC sander I referred to was circa mid 80's an did not get a dust shroud until the mid to late 90's as you mention.

The vast majority of those you mention are not dual mode though - which is what I was trying to say.

Even Fein (which beat Festo to market in the USA by a few years)  was promoting their right angle sander with dust collection along with their vacuum in 1/2 page adds as I recall - but even it didn't have dual mode ala Rotex.

So , lots of right angle sanders before Rotex.  But none were dual mode.
A few of those right angle sanders even had dust shrouds  - in later versions.
Currently there are a few dual mode right angle dual mode sanders with dust collection integrated, but Rotex seems to be the category's watershed moment.

Does Cadex have cult like status among finish carpenters ?

 

[Shane Holland]

Guys, just a heads up that we have the Cadex Systainer Compressors now available for pre-order. The 1HP comes in a SYS 3 and is expected in Feb. 2017, the 1-1/2HP is in a SYS 4 and is expected around April 2017.