Consolidated Q&A for CMS Router Table
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Rocky said:
Here is a prime example of why I hate the German UL office. They don't fully understand the U.S. UL requirements they are allegedly enforcing. The sticker on the outside of the switch states it is rated for 13.5 amps, which is slightly over the maximum capacity of a 15 amp circuit (with a safety margin). However, the internal switch inside the switch box is actually rated at 16.5 amps, which is the maximum you can legally draw from a 20 amp circuit (also including a safety margin).
This is pure speculation on my part, and I have not, nor will not, ever confirm this with Festool for legal reasons. But I suspect that UL forced Festool to place this 13.5 amp sticker on the outside of the switch even though the internal switch has a higher ampere rating. In my personal opinion, UL lost sight of the purpose of this rating sticker. It should be providing the absolute electrical rating of the switch, but UL took it to mean a maximum rating of the whole table. My guess, and this is also pure speculation on my part, is that UL forced Festool to place this 13.5 amp limitation on the table unless they also installed NEMA 5-20 plugs on the table, like the old CT vacs used to have.
And the OF 2200 has a 18 amp rating. Could that be the problem. Just changing the switch on the table.
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What are the chances of Festool selling just the table? Anytime soon?
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Eco-Options said:
Without the router module - nil. No plans and I don't see it happening unless other modules pass UL at some point in the future. What good would a table be with a big hole in it?
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Shane Holland said:
Pop-up television for the worksite or shop? That'll stick it to DeWalt and Bosch!
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Interesting that the date on this tread is recent.
I'm in Australia. I've had my VL and router base for about 3 years. It is OK, but there are a few things that have irritated the socks off me:
- the lack of ability to simply use a standard mitre gauge rather than the big slide doohickey from Festool
- the lack of rail guides in the table top
- the fence setup is impossible to set exactly. This is no Incra LS type fence (in fact you can't fit one without making a component to hang onto the extruded rail....
- The fence is wound on with two long screws and offers no adjustment other than with a hammer of fist. Line of sight stuff. Very un-festool. It seems odd the way its mounted. Its not stiff, accurate, repeatable or offers wide adjustment. This one stuck me in the first second of opening the box. I use a long bit of timber from the dogs mounted in the MFT to get it parallel and centred on the bit (my trusty Bit Of Wood Measurer)
There is one redeeming feature, in that the fence can be used as a jointer for small work due to the winding offset for the right.
If Festool were to just add some rail guides it would be perfect.
I'm in Australia. I've had my VL and router base for about 3 years. It is OK, but there are a few things that have irritated the socks off me:
- the lack of ability to simply use a standard mitre gauge rather than the big slide doohickey from Festool
- the lack of rail guides in the table top
- the fence setup is impossible to set exactly. This is no Incra LS type fence (in fact you can't fit one without making a component to hang onto the extruded rail....
- The fence is wound on with two long screws and offers no adjustment other than with a hammer of fist. Line of sight stuff. Very un-festool. It seems odd the way its mounted. Its not stiff, accurate, repeatable or offers wide adjustment. This one stuck me in the first second of opening the box. I use a long bit of timber from the dogs mounted in the MFT to get it parallel and centred on the bit (my trusty Bit Of Wood Measurer)
There is one redeeming feature, in that the fence can be used as a jointer for small work due to the winding offset for the right.
If Festool were to just add some rail guides it would be perfect.
evanism said:
I agree that it would be nice to have a slot/rail guides in the table, however its quite easy to add making a supplimentary top, you shouldn't need to though. I can see why they didn't though as would have to cut a slot though the profile that surrounds the CMS.
What I don't quite understand is the fuss around aligning the fence. If you want accurate positioning for a rebate for example, use a bearing guided bit to get the right off-set. As for aligning the fence parallel with the table, it doesn't need to be, bits a round so the angle of the fence doesn't matter. The main time it would is when using the sliding table, and iy you do this its simple, you clamp a pice of wood on the sliding table, pull the sliding table to one end and clamp one side of the fence by pushing it to the wood, slide the table to other end and do the same, you then have the fence aligned perfectly parallel to the sliding table
I think you have to view the CMS as not being the last word in router tables, but rather a good onsite router table option, that excels for planing operations, and for profiling with bearing bits. For fine box making etc, you need to have a supplimentary fence such as the incra. I think for no mobile work, you can get better router plates, lift mechanisms (CMS with the OF2200 isn't great, as it lifts from one side you can get binding) and fences
I'm a little excited if you cant tell hehe
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On October 16th from 6:00 to 8:30, the Woodcraft store in Norwalk, CT, is having a demo/lecture on the CMS Router table.
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Maybe this post should be in the sysport thread, but I thought it would be useful to post it here in advance of the release of the CMS router module. Other members may find the dimensions to be of benefit if they want to build their own storage solution in advance of getting the CMS. I have had my CMS module for almost a year, but have found the various parts extremely awkward to store. This is my sysport solution.
The sysport has the same overall dimensions as my other sysports, but the upper shelf is deep enough to accommodate the awkwardly-sized fences. Below I can fit several systainers- I will add the last couple of shelves as needed.
I always use 14" full extension drawer slides. These allow enough room to pull the shelves out and leave the systainers in the open position.
The upper shelf has 11" of room, and is 15" deep. This is about as small as you can make it if you want the large fence to fit. The lower section has 17" of room. Overall width is 38" wide and 35" high to match my other sysports. I painted them moon grey (Behr paint) which is a close match to the colour of a systainer.
You can see I use a sys 2 to store my OF1400 accessories and the CMS router module accessories. I have room for another sys 2 above it on its own shelf, or 2 x sys 1 on shelves.
P.S. You can see the INCRA shop stop fits on the CMS fence...good for stopped routing operations.
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The sysport has the same overall dimensions as my other sysports, but the upper shelf is deep enough to accommodate the awkwardly-sized fences. Below I can fit several systainers- I will add the last couple of shelves as needed.
I always use 14" full extension drawer slides. These allow enough room to pull the shelves out and leave the systainers in the open position.
The upper shelf has 11" of room, and is 15" deep. This is about as small as you can make it if you want the large fence to fit. The lower section has 17" of room. Overall width is 38" wide and 35" high to match my other sysports. I painted them moon grey (Behr paint) which is a close match to the colour of a systainer.
You can see I use a sys 2 to store my OF1400 accessories and the CMS router module accessories. I have room for another sys 2 above it on its own shelf, or 2 x sys 1 on shelves.
P.S. You can see the INCRA shop stop fits on the CMS fence...good for stopped routing operations.
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Don T said:
I use the Kreg Micro adjuster on my router table -- it works fairly well too about .005" which is fine for most tasks.
I was using a 3-1/2" diameter router bit this morning & was wondering -- did I read somewhere (in this thread?) that the CMS router hole is much smaller? [unsure]
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The 1400 & 1010 are right at 2-3/4".
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I just received an email about the new tools, CMS, impact driver and roller stool. After the description of the CMS, there was the following line:
"See your preferred Festool dealer for more information about the Domino XL or visit our Domino Joiner family website"
The email then went on about the impact driver etc. I think someone did a cut and paste from the last announcement and did not read the final email before sending it out. [tongue]
"See your preferred Festool dealer for more information about the Domino XL or visit our Domino Joiner family website"
The email then went on about the impact driver etc. I think someone did a cut and paste from the last announcement and did not read the final email before sending it out. [tongue]
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