CXS Compact Cordless Drill - Available June 1st

[Ken Nagrod]

[thanks] [bite tongue]

 

[billg71]

Sorry to sidetrack and get back on topic but...

Maybe I'm missing something, $225 US for a

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

I wish they would have included the number of spax screws driven per charge with the cxs on the chart.

I didn't have that spec, but will see if we can find out from Germany.

Ok, got word back this morning from Germany. The CXS battery is rated at 200 spax 5 x 40 screws from a single charge.

Here are the other drills for comparison.

 

[Sparktrician]

I wish they would have included the number of spax screws driven per charge with the cxs on the chart.

I didn't have that spec, but will see if we can find out from Germany.

Ok, got word back this morning from Germany. The CXS battery is rated at 200 spax 5 x 40 screws from a single charge.

Here are the other drills for comparison.

But can it make a decent cup of tea? 

[big grin]

 

[Frank Pellow]

I wish they would have included the number of spax screws driven per charge with the cxs on the chart.

I didn't have that spec, but will see if we can find out from Germany.

Ok, got word back this morning from Germany. The CXS battery is rated at 200 spax 5 x 40 screws from a single charge.

Here are the other drills for comparison.

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The is interesting, but it would be much more useful if it had the CXS Compact in the list and if we knew who the competitors were.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

The is interesting, but it would be much more useful if it had the CXS Compact in the list and if we knew who the competitors were.

Frank, the reason it's not in that graphic is because that image is on a page talking about the benefits of brushless motors. The CXS doesn't have a brushless motor. I did add the screws per charge to the model comparison chart.

As for the names of the competitors, Festool doesn't play that game. We try to take the high road and not call out competitors by name. Let's just say that I am looking at a competitor comparison for internal use only and it has 7 major competitors listed, brands available here in the US/Canada,  and the T15 did 195 screws (6x100mm) and the next closest did 107, for instance. This was a comparison of other 14.4v drills, five with a 2.6Ah battery and two with a 2.2Ah battery. The chart on the website is for the purposes of showing a general comparison. That chart came from another internal communication in which the names of the competitors were not disclosed.

The point is... our brushless motors provide substantial performance increases, including battery life. I would recommend you check out the page with the graph to put it in context.

http://drills.festoolusa.com/cordless-drills/features/brushless-motor/

 

[David NY]

The point is... our brushless motors provide substantial performance increases, including battery life. I would recommend you check out the page with the graph to put it in context.

http://drills.festoolusa.com/cordless-drills/features/brushless-motor/

Shane,

I just clicked on the Durability link and took a real good look at the "submersion test." I have a lot of water I need to pump into my systainers for my own demos here at the "Nut."

Question: Where can I get that Sys-Hose I?  

David

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

I just clicked on the Durability link and took a real good look at the "submersion test." I have a lot of water I need to pump into my systainers for my own demos here at the "Nut."

Question: Where can I get that Sys-Hose I?  

Comes in the CentroSiphon Assortment.  [wink]

 

[Sean7a]

We seemingly have a battle of winking emoticons on our hands.  To the death!

 

[Ken Nagrod]

The is interesting, but it would be much more useful if it had the CXS Compact in the list and if we knew who the competitors were.

Frank, the reason it's not in that graphic is because that image is on a page talking about the benefits of brushless motors. The CXS doesn't have a brushless motor. I did add the screws per charge to the model comparison chart.

As for the names of the competitors, Festool doesn't play that game. We try to take the high road and not call out competitors by name. Let's just say that I am looking at a competitor comparison for internal use only and it has 7 major competitors listed, brands available here in the US/Canada,  and the T15 did 195 screws (6x100mm) and the next closest did 107, for instance. This was a comparison of other 14.4v drills, five with a 2.6Ah battery and two with a 2.2Ah battery. The chart on the website is for the purposes of showing a general comparison. That chart came from another internal communication in which the names of the competitors were not disclosed.

The point is... our brushless motors provide substantial performance increases, including battery life. I would recommend you check out the page with the graph to put it in context.

http://drills.festoolusa.com/cordless-drills/features/brushless-motor/

Shane, I take offense to this drill comparision chart, not just from Festool, but other companys do this as well.  I can't stand the marketing bs with the colors (implying the brand) that say things like competitor A, B, etc. that give no straightfoward information for potential customers to make an informed decision.  Festool seems to be just as guilty not being forthcoming with "true" detailed test results so we can make a decision based on facts, not your spin.  Knowing drill/battery models, voltages and amperages is the proper thing to offer for real and honest test results.  I would have thought Festool to be better than other power tool companys in this regard as well.  If Festool doesn't want to do that, they should not offer the chart to the public.

I don't care what drill came in 1st, middle or last.  I would just like the complete and honest results offered up to the public.

 

[PeterK]

The problem with colors representing brands is that Harbor Freight and Dewalt use yellow, Bosch and Ryobi use blue, etc.

 

[peter halle]

Not to be argumentative, but what if the person who created the chart was color blind and just picked the other colors at random?

Peter

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Does it really matter what the other brands are? They are major players in the cordless drill market, I assure you. The point is that our drills outperform them, and not by a small margin.

Sorry, but I'm not going to disclose which manufacturers. It's not the way we operate.

If you have any doubt in my information, buy our drill, use it for up to 30 days, if you don't like it, take it back for a refund. [big grin]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

So Shane, would you allow me to post FULL AND DETAILED test results for my own test when the new drills are available?

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

So Shane, would you allow me to post FULL AND DETAILED test results for my own test when the new drills are available?

Of course. Anyone who has multiple drills, including a Festool, who wants to do a comparison is more than welcome to do so on the forum.

 

[jonny round boy]

Shane, I take offense to this drill comparision chart, not just from Festool, but other companys do this as well.  I can't stand the marketing bs with the colors (implying the brand) that say things like competitor A, B, etc. that give no straightfoward information for potential customers to make an informed decision.  Festool seems to be just as guilty not being forthcoming with "true" detailed test results so we can make a decision based on facts, not your spin.  Knowing drill/battery models, voltages and amperages is the proper thing to offer for real and honest test results.  I would have thought Festool to be better than other power tool companys in this regard as well.  If Festool doesn't want to do that, they should not offer the chart to the public.

I don't care what drill came in 1st, middle or last.  I would just like the complete and honest results offered up to the public.

Ken,

Has it not occured to you that there might be a very good reason why no manufacturer specifically names the competitors they use?

Unless the test was designed in collaboration with each and evey manufacturer, and the testing was done independently, and independently monitored, then Festool would be asking for a huge lawsuit. Other manufacturers would claim the test wasn't 'fair', or that the test was biased to favour a particular feature of one drill over the others, etc.

The only time I've ever seen tests like this with named tools, it's been for tool magazine reviews.