CXS Drill mini review

JSands

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OK, I own a lot of Festools, I admit it.... certainly not as many as some on this forum who own about every Festool made  :-)....   However, I never owned a Festool drill.... been a big fan of the latest technologies of the big name makers for the past 10 years.... good life, well built, reasonably priced.... but then Shane is always touting the 30 day money back pledge..... and I had the CXS on my radar.... mainly for driving smaller screws.... so, I thought for sure this would be my first, buy-n-return Festool product.... its price tag at $275 is quite reasonable considering all the nicely combined components as seen below.

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I have been a huge fan of impact drivers....I use them for driving just about everything...however, they have one flaw... none I am aware of have a clutch to control its power, (self defeating principle)  therefore it's easy to over drive, and strip a screw.    It is difficult to predict or feel when to stop driving.   For small screws, in fine woodworking projects, this can be cumbersome and problematic, even with my mini impact drivers that have less torque.    I see fellow workers drive screws with impact drivers, which later I test them with a manual screw driver (remember those?) and notice they are stripped, which negates a screws holding force.    OTOH, when you use a standard drill/driver, you get too much head-strip-out, vs. an impact driver, as the impact drive uses ultra fast mini-hits, giving the driver head multiple opportunities to re-seat in the screw head to prevent head stripping.   It's truly a remarkable technology for many screw driving applications, but not perfect, specially for small screws.

So after receiving the CXS, I ran it through it's paces....small, well balanced, fast and tool-less head change-outs, and some neat uses with the angle head and quick change out centrotec, but that was not that useful for my needs, more of luxury.    I know the CXS would function well as drill, heck, a Borg product can drill a hole fine.   How does it function as a screw driver for relatively small screws, say #6,8 with no pilot holes?  

It was my final test that made this drill / driver convince me, the CXS will be one of my MOST USED Festools!  

I took some hard Maple.... #6 and 8 Phillips head screws (would work better with square head).... no pilot hole... I could feel the excellent torque at the very low speed setting on the drill...this excited me...it has always been a pet peeve of mine about drivers...all their torque is at higher rpm.    I drove 3/4" screws of both sizes directly into the maple with no pilot hole, with EASE!  Not ONE head stripped...this blew me away.   Next, I tried the same size screws at 1" length.... the 6's went in, but some of the 8's would decapitate themselves about 1/8" before they were fully seated....yet the entire drive downward, the head did not strip....and when you can have a screw decapitate without the head stripping, or even "slipping" even once, that IMO is the ultimate test for a driver.   The CXS passed with AAA rating!

Now the impact driver will not strip the head either, but when the screw is nearly fully seated, the CXS has the advantage of the clutch setting to prevent stripping...and what is remarkable, you only need the clutch as a safety, as the drill has such tremendous "feel" due to the excellent low speed control range, it feels as if you are driving with a manual screw driver (but faster).

Bottom line, Festool designed a very low speed driver, while maintaining  torque at the slowest speeds, making the tool feel like an extension of your hand, just like driving the screw manually.   The handle placement / design also adds to this success, as when you place your pointer finger straight forward on the side of the CXS, (like a handgun with finger off the trigger) the heel of your hand is on-axis with the screw, allowing ALL your hand pressure to be positioned over the screws head.   Zero waste of hand pressure, no cocking (and stress) on your wrist like the common handgun type designs.    This reduces stress on your hand / wrist.   But clearly, this ergonomic design is a BIG contributing factor to the no-stripping of screw heads during driving.    So it took a mix of low speed, high torque and proper hand ergonomics to finally make the ultimate "small screw" drill/driver.

So, once again, I am overly impressed with a Festool - which I originally thought I would try-n-return, as I thought it was a duplicate tool.    Instead, the CXS will prob. have more hours in my hand vs. all the other Festools I own,  as I drill-n-drive a lot of smaller screws.    

To be clear though, this is a small tool, with extraordinary capacity, but designed for smaller projects...I would never use it for driving 6"  lag bolts, or for drilling many holes in hardwoods....I have plenty of tools that perform those tasks more efficiently.   Larger batteries, more torque, corded tools, etc.   The CXS greatest attribute IMO is it's incredible capacity to drive small screws without stripping the heads, while at the same time, not stripping the threads in the wood.   So if you drive lots of small screws, such as small pocket holes, shelf braces, hinges, etc,  I highly recommend you try the CXS.  

It's already safely placed away in my tool chest... Thanx Festool for making tools that are so intelligently thought-out.

               

 

 
Thanks for the interesting review. 

I held a CXS in a hardware store a couple months ago and it felt like a toy to me.  This was also after purchasing a new T15, so I was obviously bias.  I now wish I would have actually used it, instead of merely picking it up. 

If I was still building cabinets full-time, I could imagine this drill being great for installing hinges, drawer slides, pulls and knobs, etc.  It seems like it would also be handy doing electrical work when a powerful drill isn't really needed. 
 
You hit the nail on the head. The main reason I HAD to get a Festool drill - C15 in my case - is the amazing low speed torque and speed control, which, like you said, gives you the same type of control as driving a screw manually. I was frequently stripping heads with any other drill I tried but not with Festool. I tried the CXS and it has that same superior low speed torque and speed control. You're also right about not really needing the clutch most of the time due to the superior handling of the drill but the clutch, which is electronic on the C15 works beautifully when you need to work at high speed. Festool drills are far and away the best available.

Chris
 
Great review.  I just picked up my first CXS yesterday as well!  Played around with it driving home (texting is illegal but Festooling is not  [embarassed]).  I'll end up using it later today but from a cost standpoint I actually think it's a relative bargain.  For my smaller drill needs I've had the Bosch 12v tools for a bit.  The small driver felt great, however, I then added the PS30 for the adjustable chuck and more power, and then the right angle driver.  When you do the math that's 100+150+150 or $400.  sometimes you can get one or the other on sale or in a package so let's call it $300.  You also now have to carry 3 separate drills, at least 3 batteries but probably 4 or 5 to swap out in case 2 drain at the same time.

CXS = $275, a better product, better design and ergonomics, more efficient as you carry less, better value (that's always a given with the Festools for me anyway) AND you save between $25 and $125 dollars.

Dare I say it.  Can I use these two words in the same sentence on a Festool forum??  [scared]

The Festool CXS is cheaper than the competition!!!  [eek]

Sweeeet!  [cool]
 
I bought the CSX early this summer when hey were released.  To keep it short and sweet, it is my favorite drill for sure, now if they would make a larger version with the same form factor with or without the accessories and make it such the CSX accessories would work on the larger drill.
 
rookie08 said:
The Festool CXS is cheaper than the competition!!!  [eek]

Unless you get the Metabo Powermaxx 12 Pro. Store YouTube.  [tongue]

sl_1800 said:
I bought the CSX early this summer when hey were released.  To keep it short and sweet, it is my favorite drill for sure, now if they would make a larger version with the same form factor with or without the accessories and make it such the CSX accessories would work on the larger drill.

But I thought they did, isn't that what the C12 and C15 are for?  [scratch chin]
 
Rookie, too funny, good humor always appreciated... hee he

The Metabo show above is not NOT a CXS...its larger, heavier, and more importantly, it is of the Pistol design, which most makers use, and as I explained in my OP, the ergonomics of the CXS contributes greatly to its incredible "no head strip" performance.    The heel of the hand over the screw axis is one of the 3 design innovations to get make a driver near perferct, very low speed with good range control, high torque at low speed, and the ergonomic design that keeps hand pressure over screw axis.  When looking at the brochure, or just holding the drill, none of this would register, till you use it in a controlled test situation...

For larger screws, I think an impact driver is ideal.... I rarely ever strip the wood when impact driving large / long screws.    A larger / longer screw requires greater force to fully seat it.... now if you match the power of an impact driver to the size of the screw, you can watch and feel for when the head of the screw is seated, as its close to being seated,  the impact drivers torque should be nearing its limit, witnessed by the screw turning very slow.  However, if you use an over sized impact driver with too much torque, you are back to over torquing the screw when its seated, and it can strip.    But its the small screws, which impact drivers are not well suited for, as they require very little torque vs. larger / longer screws...and this is the niche the CXS fills very nicely.    I still have a nice array of impact drivers and plan to keep using them where appropriate.    For me, most screws I drive are relatively small, as I don't do any construction work... a cabinet is the largest project I would ever build.

Anyway, glad others have had the same experience as me, hopefully this thread will give some additional insights into those trying to make "purchase decisions" for drivers.

 
I couldn't help but notice, the C12 has 2x the torque.... tempting....

but I will hold-out, as I have no problems driving larger screws with impact drives, as long as I size the driver for the task..

I am curious for those who own both the CXS and the C12, can you elaborate on some of the differences.... the added weight is prob. very noticeable?
 
Alex,

$240 for the metabo vs $275 for the Festool; your are absolutely right. But wait, where is the belt clip?  Aha! Surely that is worth $35 versus having to buy a belt and holster to hold the metabo.

Actually I bet the clip IS $35 on EKAT. LOL

Still loving the CXS though  [big grin]
 
rookie08 said:
$240 for the metabo vs $275 for the Festool; your are absolutely right. But wait, where is the belt clip?  Aha! Surely that is worth $35 versus having to buy a belt and holster to hold the metabo.

Actually I bet the clip IS $35 on EKAT. LOL

rookie, you can't just simply convert the English price to the American price using the exchange rate. By that same logic the CXS (249 pounds in the UK) would cost $395 in the States. The Metabo PowerMaxx would probably cost around $180 in the States. That's quite a bit cheaper than the CXS.

My remark was merely tongue in cheek because you were so absolute in your statement and I thought I'd provide some relativity. There are many claims Festool can make, but most certainly not being the cheapest. I'm pretty sure I myself would buy the CXS over the Metabo because I don't care about which tool is the cheapest.
 
JSands said:
I couldn't help but notice, the C12 has 2x the torque.... tempting....

but I will hold-out, as I have no problems driving larger screws with impact drives, as long as I size the driver for the task..

I am curious for those who own both the CXS and the C12, can you elaborate on some of the differences.... the added weight is prob. very noticeable?

The differences are just what you'd imagine they would be.  The CXS has less torque, lower RPMs, lighter weight and smaller.  When compared purely on paper the CXS seems to come out way behind.  You have to get the CXS in your hands to understand why it's so poplar.  For me it just fits my hand so much better than the C12.  Also you have to see the CXS in person to see how small these things really are since the pictures don't do it justice.  No question it doesn't have the muscle of the C12 but it's the best small drill I've every used.  Bottom line is you're trading some performance for size and better ergonomics.   
 
Ironically the first thing I used the CXS for is to screw the bracket onto the back of the CT36  [big grin]

It'd a drill you'll get to feel comfortable using in all those applications you would have felt "safer" using a manual screw driver.

My other Festool cordless is a T18 ... if feels more agile that anything else in it's class I've tried.
 
The C12 is a great drill, but chances are you will love festool drills so much you will soon after buy a second.  For slightly more you can get a c15 that has much more power, larger battery (longer run time) and it only weighs in at 0.3kg more. Then you can buy the cxs, best compact drill (imo) that will most likely handle 80% of your work, actually you should buy the cxs first

K.
 
Brice, thx for that input.... it took the C12 off my radar, as it started too appear after my current honeymoon with the CXS.  Since the CXS is breaking the heads of many of the smaller screws I am driving, power is not the weak link... so more power, would not be beneficial.... as mentioned, with longer / wider screws, I will stay with my Impacts....the key with using my impact drivers is having 3 of them to cover all the power ranges...sort of like a torque adjustment, i.e. 3 tools = 3 settings...
 
JSands said:
Brice, thx for that input.... it took the C12 off my radar, as it started too appear after my current honeymoon with the CXS.   Since the CXS is breaking the heads of many of the smaller screws I am driving, power is not the weak link... so more power, would not be beneficial.... as mentioned, with longer / wider screws, I will stay with my Impacts....the key with using my impact drivers is having 3 of them to cover all the power ranges...sort of like a torque adjustment, i.e. 3 tools = 3 settings...

Then you should stop using so many brass screws. [tongue]  All joking aside I'm not sure what you're doing to snap the heads on the screws, that's not a problem I have with any driver.
 
>All joking aside I'm not sure what you're doing to snap the heads on the screws, that's not a problem I have with any driver.

Maybe you did not read my OP....  I was TESTING the CXS to see if the drill met a niche in my arsenal....    the heads of the screws were snapping off as I went with longer and or wider screws, into hard maple, with NO pilot holes.  This was my CXS "test" to see how well the tip would hold in the screw head under max. load......hence the "NO PILOT HOLES" and hard wood..  Do I do this in my real work?  Heck no....  The test confirmed the CXS was breaking off the heads of the screws, and yet, the head of the screw never stripped.    This confirmed the value of the 3 issues I stated in my OP and my follow up posts...    so therefore, "power" in the CXS was not the weak link with screws this size...  make sense now?

I later tried the same with my Bosch Drill / Driver,  and often, the heads of the screws would strip BEFORE the head stripped.  Anyway, I guess I confirmed what Rick C's review concluded, which I read after my OP....  turns out, he ran the similar tests, and concluded the same.  But wrote a much longer and detailed review....had I read Ricks review first, I would have just pointed my OP his review.....  it would have been much simpler...

 
Based on your original comments - if you really love the impact drivers, not much point in getting the C12 - Having tried and returned the CXS for a C15, I can say that I really liked the CXS but the C15 just gives me so much more flexibility - It maintains the same great form factor, precision control but with a lot more power (and weight mind you). With the C15 you might find you don't have much use for the impact drivers. I found the precise low speed control you refer to is every bit as good on the C15 as on the CSX. If you're seriously looking at a larger model, the C15 (to me) makes more sense than the C12. Just a bit more $ and weight but a lot more torque. I don't see a lot of difference in the handling of the C15 vs C12 - the CXS on the other hand handles much differently due to the much smaller size and weight. If I could afford it, I'd have the CXS and the C15 but having to settle on one, I went with the C15.

JSands said:
I couldn't help but notice, the C12 has 2x the torque.... tempting....

but I will hold-out, as I have no problems driving larger screws with impact drives, as long as I size the driver for the task..

I am curious for those who own both the CXS and the C12, can you elaborate on some of the differences.... the added weight is prob. very noticeable?
 
Great info Hockey.... do you know what the torque differences are?  Could not find the torque ratings on festoolusa

the one thing it appears the CXS misses, is the ecentric chuck....I find that useful... only available on C12/15
 
To me, the CXS finally gives me a screwdriver that hangs around the bench and is always ready to use (as a result of the battery technology). I suppose I'm loosing the benefit of all of the incidental exercise of getting out a manual screwdriver or two ... but that's the timesaver and enjoyment factor of the CXS in my opinion.

I'll always have beefier tools for serious/bigger jobs nearby.

Simple things like awkward allen head bolts on a bike ... no more quarter turn at a time saga involved ... skate boards, door hinges, etc - you name it. Round the home it's a gem.

Kev.

 
I converted the published metric NM numbers:

Ft lbs max torque in wood:

CXS 7.36
C12 14.75
C15 19.91

Comment on the eccentric chuck: The CXS is narrower than the C12 or C15, so the claim is that you don't need the eccentric chuck. I don't have a precise measurement but based on my observation, the eccentric chuck still lets you work a bit closer to the edge of a closed work area because your hand is further from the edge but that's just my opinion

JSands said:
Great info Hockey.... do you know what the torque differences are?   Could not find the torque ratings on festoolusa

the one thing it appears the CXS misses, is the ecentric chuck....I find that useful... only available on C12/15
 
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