Cyclones w/Festool

Tinker

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I had been following the discussions about the clearvue cyclone and others when my computer went south.  I have been rearranging my shop to make more full use of my Festool toys.  The discussion gave me some ideas, but no great jump in finacial status.  I looked into the ClearVue and others.  The small ones were 165 to 195+/-.  I poked around in my cellar and located a "cyclone" trash can cover that i had bought years ago but did not fit any of my cans.  Funny, all these dust catching systems never seem to fit anything they are supposed to collect dust from.  Anyhow, i set it on top of my large 30 gal t-can and poked a couple of loose fitting 4" elbows into the holes made for the purpose.  the 4" ells did not fit tight, but they did not fall out either.  Air leaks all around.  I had a short piece of 4" flex tubing that i had cut off when i hooked my planer to my PennState vac long time ago.  The planer is the only tool I hook up to the PennState.  I ran the long hose from planer to t-can and the short piece from T-can to vac and ran some scraps thru the planer.  Voila!!!. I captured shavings in the can.  Because of all the air leaks around the cover, I did manage to loose some shavings around the planer.  I will deal with that problem later.

I then did a search on Sunday (had gotten my computer back on Friday) and found WoodCraft has small cyclone lids to fit over 5gal pails, of which i have many.  i called my toystore and they had just one in stock.  Two hours later, back in my shop, lid mounted on bucket and no Festool hoses fit the fittings @ top of cover.  Once more, no dust fittings fit anywhere, as seems to nearly always be my plight.  I recalled that years ago, when i was in construction, i often had to go from 4" pipes down to 3".  Even in construction, unless i got pipes and fittings at same supply, I often ran into the "none fit" problem.  Rather than throw fits, we used a rubber sleeve to make the transittion.  Only problem, I could not remember what we called the rubber sleve.  an early morning call to my son, who does drainage and septic work, and i found the item was called "Fernco" sleeves and Fernco fittings.  HD has them.  A quick trip to the big store and a handful (bag full) of Ferncos and back to shop.  For those who were having problems matching festool hoses to their cyclones, these Ferco sleeves work perfect.  Oh, they don't fit perfect. Not by any stretch of the immagination.  Some fittings require a super human effort to fit (stretch) over, while other fittings end up very loose with lots of air.  Fear not.  A good screw driver will take care of the loose fit as each Fernco has an adjustable hose clamp.  a few turns of the screw and voila! a perfect fit.  No glue necessary and the Ferncos have solved my problems of fit. I'm in business with a $19 "cyclone lid and $27 in Fernco fittings (I got extras)  I may, at some future time decide to go with a clearvue of the Oneida small cyclone, but in the meantime, i have saved enough $$$ to start looking into my black and green toy catalogue once more. 

A long post to explain the value of a non Festool item that makes life with Festool so much simpler.
Tinker 
 
Tinker,

You were telling my life story. How did you know? Thanks for the Fernco tip. I also cannot believe how these adapters NEVER FIT. I posted about using a construction tube for a collector eith the ClearVue (no pics yet but, soon, Dan, soon). So far so good with a lot more room than a five gallon bucket. I will look for the Fernco sleeves to tidy up my DC.
 
greg mann said:
Tinker,

You were telling my life story. How did you know? Thanks for the Fernco tip. I also cannot believe how these adapters NEVER FIT. I posted about using a construction tube for a collector eith the ClearVue (no pics yet but, soon, Dan, soon). So far so good with a lot more room than a five gallon bucket. I will look for the Fernco sleeves to tidy up my DC.

Greg, When I went to HD, the sleeves were not labled "Fernco"  I knew what i was looking for more by sight.  If you go to HD, look in with PVC pipe and fittings.  If you cannot find, ask for rubber sleeves for joining pipes, that should get you in the right direction.  In my lumber yard, they have Fernco but not small enough to work with my situation.  (the small ends of Festool CT vac hoses)Hope this helps
Tinker
 
Another neat idea (I think)
As mentioned above, I am in the process of changing things around in my shop to give me more room.  I am trying to work out as much of my DC problems as possible before getting down to the serious biz of making use of all that new found space.  I have figured ways to hook everything up to CT and PenState vacs via cyclone covers and so far all appearances are good.  I have set up so all of my Festool toys can be run thru a 5gal bucket with only a small % of dust particles going into the actual vacs.  I was just ready to go to work and out the door when a lite bulb went off in my head (The BOSS will tell you there is room for more than lite bulbs in there, but that is for a different forum).  I have several extra bags for both CT 33 and CT 22.  I do not particularly care to be emptying 5 gal buckets into larger containers during periods when it is difficult to get outside to empty them.  Inside of my small cyclone cover there is a 2" elbow.  I wondered if it would work hooking up a CT bag inside of the 5 gal bucket to capture an even greater percentage of dust and particles.

I installed a CT 22 bag and started up my vac (this experiment was with my old Milwaukee shop vac, but the principles will be the same with the CT's) and worked over a section of floor where I had a pile of dust and debris that I had already started cleaning without the bag installed.  It seems I actually have even better suction than before.  I think there will be almost zero dust getting into either of my CT's or the Milwaukee once i get started with actual projects.  since much of my shop time is on stormy days, if this whole idea works, i wil never have to empty a bucket of dust inside of my shop again.  I think this idea should work for you guys who do site work as well.  i can't wait to give it a try for my next inside of house project. 

I will later do a few experiments with longer reaches with hoses to see if I can reach entire shop without moving bucket or vac around the floor.  for now, I do seem to have better vacuum with the bag inside the bucket than without.  That to me is sort of exciting.  Another plus is that I will not have to move a half full CT up and down my cellar stairs or into back of truck when I do projects outside of shop.  All i should ever get inside of the vac will be very fine dust.  I will probably have to vac the insides of the vacs out once in a while ;D
Tinker
 
I, too, am exasperated by never seeming to have or be able to find the right fittings.  I have a large garbage bag full of a variety and my wife keeps asking me to donate them to HFH' Restore Center, but I am hanging on to them because I know I will need some of them for some new setup.

Has anyone tried making their own custom sized fittings?  Could "tommytape" - silicon rubber tape that you stretch as you wrap it on itself which sticks to itself and cures in about 24 hours - be used to make a custom fitting?  Neoprene (aka chloroprene) rubber can also be formulated to self-cure in air.  If a mandrel was made from a scrap of wood turned to a diameter just a little smaller than the desired fitting size, then coated with wax or plastic film to act as a release coat, then wrapped the self-curing rubber tape .... ?  I don't know if this tape retains its tension as it cures.  If it does, then it would shrink in diameter when removed from the mandrel, and removal would be difficult.  But if not, this might work.  Tommytape can certainly be used to seal leaky joints in a DC system.

Dave R.
 
Dave,
Those Fernco's I am talking about will work any time you have a close fit.  They are a rubber sleve with some stretch.  With the steel hose clamps, all you need to do is turn a screw to tighten a loose fitting sleeve.  you can use over and over again.  they never wear out.  No glue and no mess.  I don't know where you are located, but if you can't find them in a store, look up a local plumbing or septic system contractor and they might be able to help you.  I had used the 3" to 4" sises when I was in construction.  When I went to HD, I found a whole lot of other smaller sizes.  One responer noted frnco.com.  you can look them up to get an idea of what you are looking for.  Like you, I have a whole lot of mismatched fittings in my cellar.  i have even run into the mismatching problem when ordering pipe and fittings for my DC from the same supplier, whether it be hardware store or website sales.  These Ferncos mean i don't have any more problems with fittings.
Tinker
 
Thanks, Tinker.  I have seen them at HD.  I was simply trying to eliminate need of a screwdriver.

For reasons yet to be explained by Oneida, my order which they promised to ship 2 weeks ago didn't.

Dave R.
I called Oneida today (14Aug2007) and they said they are behind due to problems with their powder coating paint line.
 
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