Domino DF500 warranty worth $1200?

[Crazyraceguy]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] I was referring to the machine itself, not the just the cutters.
I am completely on-board with the idea that the material matters. I have worn/dulled a few of them. I assume that the adhesive in plywood is at least a little rough on them. I occasionally have to cut them into the face of plastic laminate pieces too, and I'm sure that is not good for them.
I have also broken one or two by hitting an 18ga brad inside an assembled unit.  [unsure] Knocked the carbide tip right off of one of them  [scared]

In the usual White Oak, Maple, Cherry, and Poplar that I come across most, you can hardly tell they are used. They just keep going. I keep a 6mm isolated, just for sheet goods.

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] I was referring to the machine itself, not the just the cutters.
I am completely on-board with the idea that the material matters. I have worn/dulled a few of them. I assume that the adhesive in plywood is at least a little rough on them. I occasionally have to cut them into the face of plastic laminate pieces too, and I'm sure that is not good for them.
I have also broken one or two by hitting an 18ga brad inside an assembled unit.  [unsure] Knocked the carbide tip right off of one of them  [scared]

In the usual White Oak, Maple, Cherry, and Poplar that I come across most, you can hardly tell they are used. They just keep going. I keep a 6mm isolated, just for sheet goods.

Ya I know you were... [smile] ...I was just contrasting your usage as a professional with that of the average Domino user.  So, as a tool that you use daily/weekly in a professional capacity and you've machined 10,000 mortises, the average joe will likely never approach that number and yet each Domino cutter can last from 4K to 15K mortises. For most folks, a single cutter will last a lifetime, the same thing certainly can't be said of router bits.

 

[Rutabagared]

Another vote for keeping the used one.  I bought my pinned version in 2006 (I think?  It was manufactured in 2005.)  I've cut thousands of mortises and have experienced no issues.  I did dull an 8mm cutter, however.  Even if you experienced an issue, I can't imagine it would be an expenisve, catastrophic one.  Enjoy it!

Joe

 

[natenator76]

Thanks again to all for your replies and insight. New festool is going back tomorrow and keeping the used one.

Now I have to figure out what else to spend the $1200 savings on lol

 

[Ultimate Tools Marketing]

Thanks again to all for your replies and insight. New festool is going back tomorrow and keeping the used one.

Now I have to figure out what else to spend the $1200 savings on lol

Great score on the Emerald Edition Domino! Let us know if you need help figuring out how to spend that $1,200!  [tongue]

 

[alltracman78]

If the price is close I'll buy brand new all day long.
For half the price, and in good condition, I'd happily buy used.

 

[JeromeM]

If the price is close I'll buy brand new all day long.
For half the price, and in good condition, I'd happily buy used.

If you ever see a used domino for less than ⅔rds the price either the owner/seller has no idea of its value, it has been in a serious accident/is badly worn or there is a desperate need for cash.

Due to the Festool price increase a used unit is virtually 5/6+ of the price of a new unit

 

[ChuckM]

Believe it or not, 6 or 7 years ago, I sold my used CT26 in excellent condition (free exchange for a re-called CT mini) and very lightly used TS75 without losing a penny. The steady and annual price increases before the pandemic helped!

 

[onocoffee]

I'm always curious to learn more on how people valuate used Festool.

So, 5/6 of the cost of the current version is worth purchasing?

For example, the current OF2200 EB-F-PLUS retails for $1,149. There's a guy in my area on FB Marketplace selling an OF2200 EB and asking for $750 - that's 65% of the cost of the current model. By the 5/6 rule, this is considered a steal, correct?

In the photo, the tool looks in decent shape. But it is packaged in the original Systainer with the clips. My understanding is that T-Locs didn't appear until 2010, so this router is at least 14 years old. Is this still considered a great buy at $750?

 

[ChuckM]

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So, 5/6 of the cost of the current version is worth purchasing?Snip.

5/6? No way for me.

No matter what brand it is, if it's second hand, I wouldn't give it a look if the asking price is not AT LEAST less than 70% of the current retail price. A saving of 30% is not enough to sway me from buying new that comes with all kinds of protection including warranty. 40% to 60% of savings are what I usually expect.

 

[natenator76]

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So, 5/6 of the cost of the current version is worth purchasing?Snip.

5/6? No way for me.

No matter what brand it is, if it's second hand, I wouldn't give it a look if the asking price is not AT LEAST less than 70% of the current retail price. A saving of 30% is not enough to sway me from buying new that comes with all kinds of protection including warranty. 40% to 60% of savings are what I usually expect.

Yeah same here. I got the domino and set of Dominos for 50% the price of new. Had it been even 70% I probably would have passed and kept the new one I bought but 50% was too good to pass up.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I'm always curious to learn more on how people valuate used Festool.

So, 5/6 of the cost of the current version is worth purchasing?

For example, the current OF2200 EB-F-PLUS retails for $1,149. There's a guy in my area on FB Marketplace selling an OF2200 EB and asking for $750 - that's 65% of the cost of the current model. By the 5/6 rule, this is considered a steal, correct?

In the photo, the tool looks in decent shape. But it is packaged in the original Systainer with the clips. My understanding is that T-Locs didn't appear until 2010, so this router is at least 14 years old. Is this still considered a great buy at $750?

I think OF2200 came in a T-Lok. There was an earlier router, the OF2000 that was in a Classic Systainer.

 

[onocoffee]

I think OF2200 came in a T-Lok. There was an earlier router, the OF2000 that was in a Classic Systainer.

Perhaps there was some period during the switch?

Here's the actual FB Marketplace ad:https://www.facebook.com/share/1EwjEXPAxX/

 

[onocoffee]

5/6? No way for me.

No matter what brand it is, if it's second hand, I wouldn't give it a look if the asking price is not AT LEAST less than 70% of the current retail price. A saving of 30% is not enough to sway me from buying new that comes with all kinds of protection including warranty. 40% to 60% of savings are what I usually expect.

I hear you, but I'm also wondering how age plays a factor into peoples' calculus for used Festool.

In my own estimation, I want to consider not just price off of current model but also age - and if it's within a certain timeframe: remaining warranty and transferring that warranty. My feeling is that the older the tool, the greater the discount - though I note the discussion here where something like the DF500 - even years later seems to be warranted with the higher asking price because there has been so little failures.

 

[Cheese]

I think OF 2200 came in a T-Lok. There was an earlier router, the OF2000 that was in a Classic Systainer.

The OF 2200 EB was available in the States around 2009 in a classic Systainer...574277.
The OF 2200 EB then became available in the States around 2011 in a T-Loc...574354.

 

[JeromeM]

I'm always curious to learn more on how people valuate used Festool.

So, 5/6 of the cost of the current version is worth purchasing?

For example, the current OF2200 EB-F-PLUS retails for $1,149. There's a guy in my area on FB Marketplace selling an OF2200 EB and asking for $750 - that's 65% of the cost of the current model. By the 5/6 rule, this is considered a steal, correct?

In the photo, the tool looks in decent shape. But it is packaged in the original Systainer with the clips. My understanding is that T-Locs didn't appear until 2010, so this router is at least 14 years old. Is this still considered a great buy at $750?

That isn’t a domino. My post, and the thread, are specific to Dominos

For other Festool tools the calculus is rather different. The majority of Festool products have a great lifespan and are supported with repair parts well beyond many other brands, so they will have a greater used price, the Domino is currently unique, few owners will sell them, has had somewhat limited availability, so has a greater used value.

At some point its protection will expire and there will probably be others trying to build something cheaper that might just manage the job, they will probably be c*r*a*p. Just look at track saws and that will explain exactly what will happen.

So is the OF2200 a steal? It could be, it could be overpriced.

 

[onocoffee]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] Saw this on FB Marketplace - it's just the head. But it's the pin head.
https://www.facebook.com/share/14xLFasuSQ/

 

[ChuckM]

Beware. Since the pins cannot be held in a retracted position, the pin domino joiner is not compatible with some after-market jigs such as the Veritas and Woodpeckers domino tables.

I expect the new future version of DF500 (and 600?) will have a flippable pin set-up like that seen in the DF700.