Domino Flat (Face) Frame Jig - Video

[Stone Message]

Hello Everyone

I have posted a video in the Members Projects area that shows how to make plain or flat  (face) frame doors. It has been suggested that I post a link to my video that shows the jig for the Domino that makes the whole thing so easy.

The great thing about this jig is that it cost nothing to make (scrap wood used) and can be done, without any prior preparation, on site with whatever bits you have lying around. Oh, and it is brilliantly accurate.

Take a look:



Peter

 

[TheTassieBFG]

Thanks for sharing this

 

[RDMuller]

EXCELLENT!!! 

 

[rdesigns]

Simple, fast and accurate--a low-tech way to make the best use of high-tech tools.
Thanks

 

[BUTTER]

Excellent presentation!  [big grin]

For some strange reason, I don't (yet) own a set of dogs for my MFT - you said in another post that you have a new dog design you've been working on?

Also, I must wonder why, when you are boring into the stiles, you don't simply clamp the piece down, rather than reaching across?

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Joseph

I think that I should but I am trying to make it look quick and easy!

Peter

 

[fritter63]

Peter....BRILLIANT!

 

[sancho57]

Peter,

I bookmarked you video for further reference.

So it wont take me HOURs searching for it when I need it.

I think your jig will save me a lot of TIME.

Thx for posting

Ron

 

[nclemmons]

Great tip, Peter. Love the simplicity and repeatability.

neil

 

[Ed Surowiec]

[big grin] Well Done Peter. Thank You for taking time to make your videos ( all of them) .They are very helpful
Ed Surowiec

 

[UncleJoe]

Peter, Thanks for this helpful video on the face frame jig. This makes the process "fool proof". Have you used the domino to attache the face frame to the cabinet and if you did, do you have a video of how you line everything up so that it is flush or has a reveal if desired. I think a video of the right way to do this would be very helpful.

 

[Stone Message]

Peter, Thanks for this helpful video on the face frame jig. This makes the process "fool proof". Have you used the domino to attache the face frame to the cabinet and if you did, do you have a video of how you line everything up so that it is flush or has a reveal if desired. I think a video of the right way to do this would be very helpful.

I have not tried attaching a face frame that way and so there is no video. But...

Assuming the frame will be flush with the inner surface of the top, bottom and sides then it should not be too difficult as long as one remembers which reference surface to use for the Domino cuts.

Peter

 

[Slartibartfass]

BLOODY hell ...BRILLIANT!

 

[tdragomir]

I'll be able to put this jig to use, thanks for sharing the idea.

 

[RKA]

Is the bit on the domino centered precisely on the fence body?  If I'm understanding this correctly, the opposing mortises on a joint are using opposing sides of the fence to reference from.  If the bit is centered this should work great, but if it's off by a hair, your error doubles.  Am I misunderstanding?

 

[Slartibartfass]

Is the bit on the domino centered precisely on the fence body?  If I'm understanding this correctly, the opposing mortises on a joint are using opposing sides of the fence to reference from.  If the bit is centered this should work great, but if it's off by a hair, your error doubles.  Am I misunderstanding?

Like Peter shows u gotta flip the piece for opposing sides to neutralize the offset.

 

[Stone Message]

Is the bit on the domino centered precisely on the fence body?  If I'm understanding this correctly, the opposing mortises on a joint are using opposing sides of the fence to reference from.  If the bit is centered this should work great, but if it's off by a hair, your error doubles.  Am I misunderstanding?

It is not quite as you state...

If you check the video at about the 3 minute 30 second point you will see that when I come to do the slots in the other end of the piece of wood I flip everything around. This method makes no assumption about the slot being centred. The slots on either end will be the same distance away from whichever reference edge you might choose.

Of course there are many ways of achieving all of this without using the method that I show. Most people might choose to use the scale on the Domino to offset a slot from a given edge. That is fine but it requires 100% concentration. In my days doing production work one strives to make the process as close to fool proof as possible and the less the operator has to make a judgement about a hair line the better.

Dominos do have a bit of built in "forgiveness" and in most situations, using regular dominos and the narrow setting, one can make a 0.5 mm adjustment to a domino joint in either direction during glue-up.

Peter

(Oops - sorry Slartibartfass - I posted at the same time as you - cheers)

 

[RKA]

I didn't ask the question clearly.  If you are making opposing mortises on one joint (one in the rail, one in the stile), wouldn't you have to use one side if the fence as a reference for the first mortise and the other side of the fence as a reference for the second mortise?  So if the center of the bit isn't equidistant from both edges of the fence, you would end up with a slightly offset joint. 

 

[Stone Message]

I didn't ask the question clearly.  If you are making opposing mortises on one joint (one in the rail, one in the stile), wouldn't you have to use one side if the fence as a reference for the first mortise and the other side of the fence as a reference for the second mortise?  So if the center of the bit isn't equidistant from both edges of the fence, you would end up with a slightly offset joint.

I understand. My Dominos are centred correctly and I have not heard of anyone who has one that is not central. If that were the case then not only would this method not work nor would using the scale, the paddles nor the cross stops.

Peter

 

[grbmds]

I didn't ask the question clearly.  If you are making opposing mortises on one joint (one in the rail, one in the stile), wouldn't you have to use one side if the fence as a reference for the first mortise and the other side of the fence as a reference for the second mortise?  So if the center of the bit isn't equidistant from both edges of the fence, you would end up with a slightly offset joint.

It seems that purchasing the SCG jig from RTS Engineering (also sold on the Festool site I think) would resolve your concern if I understand it correctly. The stops allow referencing from either side. You may not want to spend the extra money (can't blame you given the cost of a Domino) but I've found that this ensures that I have no issues when Dominoing drawer sides. I would think face frames would also be great use of the SCG. It has worked well for me.