Domino Glue Bottle
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agreed
at present i use the smaller of the two lamello biscuit glue bottles
at present i use the smaller of the two lamello biscuit glue bottles
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Eiji Fuller said:
I just use refill bottles from woodcraft or the glue bottle itself. They are cheap and I spread it with disposable brushes that come 20 or so to a bag. Chuck the brush in the trash. It has worked well so far. I'm finishing a cherry hutch with all M&T. So far I'm on my second bag dominos and going strong. Just curious what would the brass tips be for?
The brass tips would be reusable, cylindrical with holes in the sides to squirt glue onto the sides of the mortise.
I was thinking along the same lines as the master glue bottle available at woodworkerssupply. but with tips made just for us.
I was thinking along the same lines as the master glue bottle available at woodworkerssupply. but with tips made just for us.
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Take a look at the Lamello glue bottle. Lamello (and all other biscuits that i am aware of) are 4mm thick. The Lamello glue bottle that Eiji mentions here has a round brass tip with holes on each side that reaches into a 4mm biscuit grove to deposit glue on both sides. Very fast and slick. I use it all the time with 5mm Domino mortises. As the Domino mortises get wider you need a larger tip to properly coat both sides of the mortise so a bottle with 5mm, 6, 8mm and 10mm tips such as Eiji recommends would serve our purposes well.
BTW, one of the early mag "reviews" of the Domino complained about the 5mm joints being too tight. They surmised that the tight Domino scraped the glue off of the sides of the mortise resulting in what they found to be "weak" joints. I talked at length with the author before the mag was published and came away with the feeling that he/she starved the joint by improperly applying glue to the mortise sides. I tried for several days to replicate their experience and simply could not. All of the joints that I tested (using what I opined to them was a flawed test) held far better than the ones they wrote about. Maybe I got lucky, or maybe ........ anyway, from my experience, if you get a good glue coverage on the sides of the Domino mortise, your joint will be stronger than the surrounding wood.
Another thing I found in my testing is that the conventional "wisdom" of mortises 1/3rd the width of the work pieces was far from ideal. I much prefer and use 1/2. My standard is 20mm thick RS&P work and I use 10mm x 10mm tongue and grove joints to carry my 10mm thick panels. I normally place an 8mm Domino in the center of that 10mm M&T to locate the rails to the stiles. If I am just putting two 20mm thick pieces together I use a 10mm Domino. No matter how hard I try, the surrounding wood breaks before the joint gives way. Not so when I use 6mm Dominos (the 1/3rd "ideal" on resinous woods like blood wood and rose wood in which the joint fails before the surrounding wood breaks. Anyway, the 1/2 "rule" works like a charm for me. Your mileage may vary....
Jerry
BTW, one of the early mag "reviews" of the Domino complained about the 5mm joints being too tight. They surmised that the tight Domino scraped the glue off of the sides of the mortise resulting in what they found to be "weak" joints. I talked at length with the author before the mag was published and came away with the feeling that he/she starved the joint by improperly applying glue to the mortise sides. I tried for several days to replicate their experience and simply could not. All of the joints that I tested (using what I opined to them was a flawed test) held far better than the ones they wrote about. Maybe I got lucky, or maybe ........ anyway, from my experience, if you get a good glue coverage on the sides of the Domino mortise, your joint will be stronger than the surrounding wood.
Another thing I found in my testing is that the conventional "wisdom" of mortises 1/3rd the width of the work pieces was far from ideal. I much prefer and use 1/2. My standard is 20mm thick RS&P work and I use 10mm x 10mm tongue and grove joints to carry my 10mm thick panels. I normally place an 8mm Domino in the center of that 10mm M&T to locate the rails to the stiles. If I am just putting two 20mm thick pieces together I use a 10mm Domino. No matter how hard I try, the surrounding wood breaks before the joint gives way. Not so when I use 6mm Dominos (the 1/3rd "ideal" on resinous woods like blood wood and rose wood in which the joint fails before the surrounding wood breaks. Anyway, the 1/2 "rule" works like a charm for me. Your mileage may vary....
Jerry
Eiji Fuller said:
I've been reading back through old threads on FOG and thought this old suggestion a good one that deserved a 2nd look.
Now that the Domino 700 is out, I believe a glue bottle with a series of different caps, that are sized for the various sized tenons, along with the reach to get to the bottom of the full depth of the 700's plunge, would be very helpful. Change caps based on the size tenon you are using and quickly get an even coat of glue along the walls of the mortise for a solid glue joint. This could allow people to work faster and produce consistently reliable joints. Compare the time to push the glue bottle into the joint and squeeze as you pull it out vs. having to play around with a disposable brush trying to spread glue evenly along the walls of the mortise. Festool is all about making professionals more productive so, IMHO, this would seem to be a "no brainer".
I'm in the market for a Domino and would definitely be interested in purchasing a glue bottle like this as an accessory.
My $.02
Jay
Now that the Domino 700 is out, I believe a glue bottle with a series of different caps, that are sized for the various sized tenons, along with the reach to get to the bottom of the full depth of the 700's plunge, would be very helpful. Change caps based on the size tenon you are using and quickly get an even coat of glue along the walls of the mortise for a solid glue joint. This could allow people to work faster and produce consistently reliable joints. Compare the time to push the glue bottle into the joint and squeeze as you pull it out vs. having to play around with a disposable brush trying to spread glue evenly along the walls of the mortise. Festool is all about making professionals more productive so, IMHO, this would seem to be a "no brainer".
I'm in the market for a Domino and would definitely be interested in purchasing a glue bottle like this as an accessory.
My $.02
Jay
I just use a regular glue bottle and I picked up a set of plastic glue spreaders from Lee Valley. They can be easily wiped off before the glue dries or the dried glue peels right off when dry. I run the bead of glue down the edge and across the top of the dominio holes, then when running the spreader down the edge I drop it into each mortise and just move it around to spread the glue. Works quick enough for me. [smile]
Yes the little colored pack of glue spreaders Lee Valley sells work fine, or a small paintbrush......then again I'm not doing a lot of them, I could see a need for a faster/better bottle if you are doing many holes......
Noticed this thread was started by Eiji Fuller....he used to post a lot, especially tips and projects....anyone know where he's been??
Greg
Noticed this thread was started by Eiji Fuller....he used to post a lot, especially tips and projects....anyone know where he's been??
Greg
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The only commercially available nozzles that I am aware of for gluing Domino slots are for the Pizzi glue system which is intended for high volume use. However, spending $1K plus for a glue applicator for Domino slots just isn't in the cards for me. I am pretty sure Rangate has them.
It would be nice if some enterprising company were to make Domino nozzles for the Lamello Dosicol glue bottle as I would be all over that. As long as the Domino has been out, I am really surprised that Festool hasn't come up with something to fill this need (want).
It would be nice if some enterprising company were to make Domino nozzles for the Lamello Dosicol glue bottle as I would be all over that. As long as the Domino has been out, I am really surprised that Festool hasn't come up with something to fill this need (want).
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A thought came to me... dip a smaller size Domino in glue and stick it in the mortise.
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I use this bottle from McFeely's. It works great and has several different brass tips for different applications. There are a couple that work well for dominos.
Hope this helps:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/PGB-7329/Pro-Glue-Dispenser
Hope this helps:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/PGB-7329/Pro-Glue-Dispenser
