Down with the old & Up with the new

[Sparktrician]

Why not consider Roxul, either in batts or in boards? 

 

[rvieceli]

Why not consider Roxul, either in batts or in boards?

I’ll second the Roxul suggestion. It is a pleasure to work with, much nicer on you. For ceilings, I’m down for a rather deep pile of blown in cellulose (Around r70) when the ceiling is open.

Ron

 

[Cheese]

Thanks for chiming in guys [member=3192]rvieceli[/member]  &  [member=7493]Sparktrician[/member]  [smile]  I think your suggestion is a good one especially in this application.

Just went on-line to snoop and found out that Roxul is now Rockwool...it always has been the same group but for some reason they gave it the Roxul name for product sold in the USA.  [blink]

So I'll start with the 3 Big Box stores because they're usually cheaper and then go to the other smaller local suppliers if the BIG 3 don't have what I'm looking for. I'm looking for 3-1/2" x 23" for one side of the garage roof and 5-1/2" x 23" for the other side of the roof.

That was a great suggestion because I anticipate I will not hang the drywall for at least another 9 months and it'd be nice to have some form of minimal fire protection over that length of time.

To be clear, my main focus at this stage is to complete the electrical, so I can complete the loft insulation package, so I can work in the garage this coming winter. Without the insulation package I'm just pumping $$$ out of the roof ridge vent come winter.

Once this upper loft insulation issue is finished, then it's back down to the main level to work on more electrical issues along with everything else that comes with the project. Underground wiring, in-wall plumbing, sump pumps, a new lawn, painting the garage, reinstalling the fence for the dogs, under soffit lighting, security cameras...the list never ends.

On top of all of that, I sold this garage project to my wife with the promise that it would allow me to finish the bathroom refurb I started 5 years ago.  Whoops..it's slowly becoming my come-to-Jesus time.  [tongue]

 

[rvieceli]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] I believe that Lowes is the official big box supplier for Rockwool nationally.

Home Depot has something similar from Owens Corning and Menards has an offering from Johns Manville.

Ron

 

[Sparktrician]

Why not consider Roxul, either in batts or in boards?

I’ll second the Roxul suggestion. It is a pleasure to work with, much nicer on you. For ceilings, I’m down for a rather deep pile of blown in cellulose (Around r70) when the ceiling is open.

Ron

Another nice thing about Roxul (or Rockwool) is that it has some pretty nice sound-deadening properties.  Think of being able to have your entertainment system blasting and the neighbors not bitching up a storm.  [big grin]

 

[mino]

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Think of being able to have your entertainment system blasting and the neighbors not bitching up a storm.  [big grin]

That is one proper connotation!

Woodworking center as the entertainment system. That is one proper reason for getting that planer I am looking at for some time!

Surely beats that Samsung TV for longevity.

 

[Cheese]

Been very busy today and for the last week, just trying to tie up the many, many loose ends as the season is gradually changing. I'm noticing that the shadows are slowly changing from where they were 3 months ago.  [sad]

With that in mind, here's a photo of Kaiser (her registered name is Kaylee) as she relaxes on the garage apron. Sometimes it's just absolutely necessary to enjoy these moments as they are fleeting and we all take them for granted until we no longer can.  [crying]

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[hdv]

Indeed! Enjoy your time with your wonderful friend to the fullest. It is the little things that are easiest to overlook and are often the most precious memories to have.

I noticed that when they are not around anymore you start to forget many of the details that made each individual so special. That's why I have taken to making notes in my personal wiki of funny or just noteworthy things that happen and characteristics you like. I have such a file for each of the last 5 dogs we had and always am glad I took the time when I look up something I am not quite sure about anymore. Often you remember "something", but are not sure anymore how it was exactly. It is nice to have a source to look things up. Photo's and video's are great, but you can't "document" everything that is precious that way. Sometimes a few written words are great to have in addition to that.

 

[rvieceli]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] another Clausing a 2274 3 phase but you can run it from a VFD it’s in St. Paul
https://www.facebook.com/share/XrEyoHpgjm1RgvJi/?mibextid=79PoIi

Ron

 

[Scott in San Diego]

Hey Cheese, not that it matters, the drill press appears to be in my old hometown of White Bear Lake. I guess that is pretty close to you.  Maybe you could get a "too many holes in the table" discount.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Hey Cheese, not that it matters, the drill press appears to be in my old hometown of White Bear Lake. I guess that is pretty close to you.  Maybe you could get a "too many holes in the table" discount.

What’s weird is that many of the holes are where the spindle can’t reach. Fastener holes for jigs?

 

[Cheese]

Hey Cheese, not that it matters, the drill press appears to be in my old hometown of White Bear Lake. I guess that is pretty close to you.  Maybe you could get a "too many holes in the table" discount.

Ya Scott that table is incredible...and not in a good way.  [smile]

I'd understand if those holes were in an arc pattern but they're just randomly drilled into the table. It's almost like someone mounted a Milwaukee Mag drill to the table and then had at it for practice.  [tongue]

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[rvieceli]

While I’ll admit that the holes are a bit weird, they should in no way impair the functionality of the drill press.  [wink]

New these things run between 6 and 7k. This one looks to be in decent shape and is probably priced where many of the used ones in decent shape are.

Reeves drive and MT3 taper. 3 phase means you can lower the frequencies on the VFD to get slower than the stock 150 rpm

Ron

 

[Cheese]

I had a bunch of OSB left over from the garage and decided to use it to construct a wall in the garage that will hold the lawn care equipment. Something I can put screws into to hold brackets for lawn tools as opposed to drywall where I'll have to introduce different fastening mechanisms.

Little did I know that painting OSB with water based paints would lift and separate some of the thinner layers.  [eek]  Not a big deal but just something that was totally unexpected.

I wish I'd taken a photo of the scene one morning when I found 20-30 small scraps of the fibers laying on the floor. Not thinking anything about it, I just vacuumed the scraps up and then I realized those thin fibers had been jettisoned from the OSB because naked OSB was underneath where those missing fibers had resided.

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[Cheese]

Today I was installing some wall mount brackets to hold the lawn maintenance equipment and I found these bad boys laying on the floor. They're small, thin shards of OSB fibers that eject themselves from the wall surface when they've been subjected to some? amount of moisture. The moisture comes from painting the OSB and it penetrates and obviously loosens up the bond between the OSB fibers.

The shards vary in thickness from .006" to.017".

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[six-point socket II]

Not that I have seen that happening before, but I’d guess it’s multiple factors coming together. Sucks.

Did you sand & prime?

We do have a couple of OSB specific products/paints over here with the YT-FrenchCleat-OSB-Workshops booming as they do.

And I’d additionally bet there’s a decline in OSB quality overall, just like we see in plywood.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Cheese]

Did you sand & prime?

Kind regards,
Oliver

Yup, sanded with the LHS 2 225 using 180 grit, primed with SW latex drywall primer and then 2 top coats of SW Duration latex paint.

Knowing what I know now, if I had used an oil based primer I'd bet this would never have happened. Not a big deal because everything will be covered with garden tools, but certainly an interesting and completely unexpected observation on my part.

It's a reminder to evaluate the use of OSB for each application. If a little latex paint on a vertical surface can break the bond, think what  puddles of water on a horizontal surface will do.

This was also my first experience using OSB. I've never used the stuff before, I've always used ply for construction projects or MDF for cabinets or jigs.

 

[six-point socket II]

Totally agree.

I only use it behind plaster board where I know beforehand I need something to screw into later. And inside the thin-walled shed, also only to stabilize when hanging something on the outside. I did also use it to build the lid of our little topsoil and gardening materials “box” but that is a completely open structure, no trapped moisture, and the top of the lid is obviously covered by roofing felt/ tar paper. It’s, a bit to my surprise, holding up great, not loosing strands or rotting. That was originally thought to be a temporary solution, hence the cheap construction/ materials - but it turned out great and still lasts … So why replace, I have enough on hand as is.

But then again, OSB is not at all a favored material of mine.

Puddles of water on OSB = disaster.

But you just can’t help and notice the OSB plagued workshops popping up everywhere when browsing, and the massive displays of OSB linked materials at the big box stores over here, because of that.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[hdv]

When we were building our house there was a period of 3 consecutive weeks that it poured like it was nothing. The rain just kept coming. The lower floor was made of logs, but on the upper floor we used OSB for the core of the walls  (lots of isolation, fake logs and dry-wall were added later). As you can see in the photo it really was soaked. We never had any trouble with that, although at the time I was really scared of a disaster waiting to happen. Now, more than 10 years later, everything is still perfectly fine. No parts of the OSB came of (I can check when I am on the attic). As far as I know this was just plain OSB. It was good quality, but not a special type for wet conditions (do you even have those?). I am definitely not knowledgeable when it comes to OSB (I hate the stuff to be honest), but it seems it should be able to handle water quite well.

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[bobtskutter]

I've made quite a bit of bookshelves and cupboards out of OSB for our spare bedroom. I like the look of it. I fill the cut edges with Bona mix and fill, then send it to 120 grit. I paint it with Bona 2k floor varnish (water based) then sand to 120 and repeat. After 3 or 4 coats all the surface imperfections are gone.

I use OSB3 which is suitable for short term moisture exposure, i.e. a bit of rain.

Bob

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