Dust Deputy vs CT Cyclone performance tests?

[Michael Kellough]

As a mobile Reno contractor, I am not sure the CT version or the DD one is for me.
I like the idea of pulling the bag out and tossing it without the added dust from dumping a canister/systainer.
I currently don’t have either, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.
Charlie

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Pretty sure you can line the clear container with a bag.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Re performance comments, it’s pretty clear from the comments of people knowledgeable about cyclonic separators, the truncated form of the Festool CT Cyclone will not be as efficient as a Dust Deputy. But Don Ware’s tests indicated that it’s still pretty good. Better than he expected.

Base your buying decision on whatever features are important to you.

 

[MikeDVB]

Re performance comments, it’s pretty clear from the comments of people knowledgeable about cyclonic separators, the truncated form of the Festool CT Cyclone will not be as efficient as a Dust Deputy. But Don Ware’s tests indicated that it’s still pretty good. Better than he expected.

Base your buying decision on whatever features are important to you.

From just looking at it - I'd have to guess from a form dictates function standpoint - that it wouldn't be as effective.

Honestly my goal would be to be able to see when I need to empty it [clear container].  That alone I think makes it worth it .

 

[sancho57]

>>Honestly my goal would be to be able to see when I need to empty it [clear container].  That alone I think makes it worth it .

 

[MikeDVB]

I already primed my kids to get me cyclone for my xmas present from them.

My GF the other day said, "No more buying any tools!"

I was like, "What did you just say?"

She then said, "If you keep buying tools I won't have anything to get you for Christmas!"

I was in a bad marriage for nearly a decade where I made all of the money but wasn't 'allowed' to buy anything / get what I wanted - so for a moment I was like Wait, what? Excuse me?

That said - that wasn't the issue .

Now I just need to drop the hint, a lot, about a Festool Cyclone haha.

 

[sancho57]

[member=68651]IndyMike[/member]

The hint I dropped was I sent them a link to it and told them this is what I want for Xmas.

Usually by the time Xmas rolls around Ive bought myself everything thing I need/wanted. But this year I thought hey the kids are all working now so its my turn , Hey kids.......

Thyre good about it, they all pitch in 3 ways so its not bad. Then for my B-day theres that DF 500 connector set Ive been jonesing for....

 

[Don Ware]

[member=10147]jobsworth[/member]
Hey buddie you deserve it, Your Good people !!!!!
And the 500 Domino connector's are so easy to use. The 700 Dominos are heavy duty. I've messed up moving the height of the fence and wrong depth...…… ( Just have to be smarter than a piece of wood …. ) The 500 with the drilling jig is hard to mess up. And the CT Cyclone you saw works great. I so like things that work like they should...….
Be good Buddie !!!!!!!!!! ( I'm sure Santa will have Goodies in your stocking )

 

[sancho57]

[member=65553]Don Ware[/member]

I got to use that 650mm rail yesterday. hehehehehe

yea Santa better get me that cyclone, Ill rip his beard out if he dont  [eek]

 

[Stone Message]

Given the recent debate over the new Festool cyclone has anyone posted a side by side performance review yet? If Festool claims superior performance then why haven't they produced their own video? Anyhow curious to see how they perform side by side etc.

I have not seen the Festool cyclone yet but have read the pre-release and current product description on the Festool web site.

Festool have been very honest about expected performance with different materials "...up to 80% mineral dust and 95% of coarse particles". I don't think that is claiming superior performance. I do not remember seeing any quantitative claims by Oneida.

My UDD performs really well with general woodworking tish but I have not tried it with mineral dust.

I somehow doubt whether anyone will measure the performance of these devices in order to check Festool's (modest) claim.

Peter

 

[sancho57]

[member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member],

When I got to play with the cyclone at Anderson Plywood  the other day. I was impressed at the amount of dust it captured both fine sanding dust and dust collected from the TS55. Now the % of dust collected I have no Idea. But I was able to see the dust sucked into the clear bin and it impressed me to where Im going to get me one.

I really doubt if festool or Oneida will do a comparison. It would prolly have to come from a FOGGer who has one and borrows the other.

But personally I dont care. Bc the idea of being to see the bin being able to see that its full and just lifting it up and emptying it and easily putting it back is enough for me. Plus if I end up doing a large job I can either easily empty the full bin and cyclone and the CT bag. which inceases the overall storage capacity.

[member=65553]Don Ware[/member]
Don would it be possible to make another video showing how this cyclone increases the storage capacity of the CT?

That would be great.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Ron

I am going to borrow a CT VA from Festool UK. I assume that they are already in high demand and so my video may take a little while to come. I think that the key thing to remember with Festool kit is that they do their best to make new kit integrate with existing kit even it is just the ability to use the same hoses or fit one systainer on another.

An Oneida DD cyclone is going to be 300-400 mm from top to bottom for the 62 mm model. It appears that the Festool cyclone is going to be much flatter as it sits inside a systainer. I do not know if this will affect its efficiency but will try and report on this once I can play with one.

Peter

 

[MikeDVB]

I’ve already told my local dealer I want a cyclone and put my name on one.

 

[Don Ware]

Yah I can do that. The clear bin on the CT Cyclone is 5.3 gallon and you can buy extra ether single or a three pack.
I can't do the video this weekend my wife has that all planed out for me. LOL !!!!

 

[Michael Kellough]

Recipe for performance test.

CT vac
CT Cyclone
Dust Deputy (identify style)
2 new main filters
2 new dust bags
Digital scale
Track saw
MDF

Weigh bags and dust bins

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach CT Cyclone
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach Dust Deputy
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Post results for smarter people than me to analyze

 

[M.András]

Recipe for performance test.

CT vac
CT Cyclone
Dust Deputy (identify style)
2 new main filters
2 new dust bags
Digital scale
Track saw
MDF

Weigh bags and dust bins

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach CT Cyclone
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Install new main filter and bag in CT vac
Attach Dust Deputy
Make 20 long rips in MDF
Weigh bin and bag to find net weight of debris in each

Post results for smarter people than me to analyze

i would suggest testing it with mineral dust, brick or concrete, or just any powdered cement based product or gypsum in powder form, if that fine dust is separated fully and from a bucket worth of dust no discoloration can be seen inside the white bag then it can be considered good

 

[Stone Message]

If these tests can be done then a group of typical tradesmen, who have to travel with their kit to a job site, need to be asked to vote on the better system not just based on any dust separation figures but also on the easy of use and portability. It may be that one system will be preferred even though it is 1% less effective at dust separation.

Peter

 

[Svar]

My educated guess on MDF dust collection: DD 99%, CT Cyclone 90%.

 

[sancho57]

One thing I can say, Is this Cyclone has certainly sparked some interest. I havent seen this much interest in a new tool/accessory in quite a while.

 

[Don Ware]

If these tests can be done then a group of typical tradesmen, who have to travel with their kit to a job site, need to be asked to vote on the better system not just based on any dust separation figures but also on the easy of use and portability. It may be that one system will be preferred even though it is 1% less effective at dust separation.

Peter

Could not of said it better !!!!!!!!

 

[Corwin]

The more tidy hose arrangement on Festool's new separator will be beneficial to those that use there tools in their shop too, not just those out in the field. There have been more than a few times that I wished that the hose going from the front of my CT up to the top of my early ClearVue cyclone was much less intrusive. Just saying'. It will be interesting to see a side-to-side comparison that addresses the various aspects of these 'cyclone' separators.