ETS 150 Sandpaper keeps flying off

fineartboxes

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I have a ETS150 sander that is  a few years old and have had problems with the sandpaper not staying on the pad. I made sure the pad and paper were clean and free of dust, installed properly and the holes were lined up as they should be but the sandpaper would fly off after several minutes of use. I ordered a new replacement pad and it worked fine for about 5 or 6 months and then the same problem occured. My inexpeensive Maiwaukee 5" ROS is around 11 years old and has never had this problem.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why this continues to happen? I'm hesitant to buy a third pad since this has hgappened twice before.
Thanks for any input
 
I had the same issue until I realized that I was putting too much pressure on the sander instead of letting it do its job.  Putting too much pressure causes excessive amount of heat to build up and it damages  and wears out the hook and loop system prematurely.

I also switched to Abranet with the appropriate interface pad and I've never regretted the switch.  IMHO the Adbraet sanding discs seem to last so much longer and sand faster than the Festool disc's
 
A mesh paper like Abranet or equivalent from other manufacturers can be the issue here, if you used such paper. It's because the hook part of the hook and loop Velcro wears down and loses its holding force.

You need to use a pad saver or just be prepared to buy new pads more frequently.
 
Different manufacturers use different compounds in their hook and loop pads.  Festool offers (or offered) a pad that stood up to heat better but that isn't for the ETS-150.

I know you hate to do it but it might be time to get a new pad whereas they are a wear item.

Peter
 
[size=13pt]Applying too much preasure is a significant contributing factor for shorter than expected pad life, no matter whether it is a Festool Sander or a 'cheapie' from your local big box store.
 
I apply loads of pressure on any of my sanders and pads, and I never experienced premature wear on any of them. My 2 rotex pads are 8 years old now, the ETS150 at least 4 years, and the ETS125 at least 6, and they're still going strong.

I did once forget to put a disc on another sander of me, and started sanding, it destroyed the hook & loop in seconds.
 
Length of continuous runtime is probably another factor for heat build up. I have replaced an ETS150 pad at least once when it would no longer hold abrasives. I remember that it was during a time when I had quite long sanding sessions.

Seth
 
Never had this problem .. with any of my sanders, not Festool and never with any other brand either.

There's a fundamental issue here to get to the bottom of ...

Can you reproduce the problem, pictures, video??

 
One could sue the Abraidnet interface pad on an ETC with the FT media.

If that is not sticking and/or the FT paper is not sticking, then it is probably time for a new pad... Followed by a search for how to get the tight bolt off.
 
fineartboxes said:
I have a ETS150 sander that is  a few years old and have had problems with the sandpaper not staying on the pad. I made sure the pad and paper were clean and free of dust, installed properly and the holes were lined up as they should be but the sandpaper would fly off after several minutes of use. I ordered a new replacement pad and it worked fine for about 5 or 6 months and then the same problem occured. My inexpeensive Maiwaukee 5" ROS is around 11 years old and has never had this problem.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why this continues to happen? I'm hesitant to buy a third pad since this has hgappened twice before.
Thanks for any input
I use the Festool paper and am not applying too much pressure when sanding. Sanding pads should last longer than this in my opinion since it gets light use. My other Festool tools have  been much more dependable Very disappointed in this sander....
 
This for sure:https://www.amazon.com/Mirka-9166RP-6-Inch-Interface-sanding/dp/B001BKVZXY
(The interface pad will take the wear, and you can use them with your Festool papers.)

These may be worth a try:https://smile.amazon.com/Mirka-9A-2...F8&qid=1468302374&sr=1-1-fkmr2&keywords=mirka+150+abranet
They last a fair while if you do not rip them. The assortment pack is an easy way to try them... I usually am using 120,180,240, so I get the larger packs.

Either way that sander is not worth much without a new base pad to hold either the interface pad or the paper/screens. You pretty much are up for buying a third one whether want to or not. [sad]
 
[member=61628]fineartboxes[/member] you've posted twice, haven't provided extra info and you're simply complaining about your problem. Have you taken the issue up with Festool service??

There's no real point is just coming her and complaining when we're actually trying to help you. There's obviously something uniquely amiss with your use or something specifically related to your equipment/environment as your experience is an exception.

 
Always have a sheet of sand paper on the machine even if it is worn when it's in the case or on the bench. Dust can collect on the pad and cause it to lose the Velcro grip. Even if the paper needs to be changed its okay to leave it on prior to sticking it back in the Systainer. I don't know how you use the sander so this is just a guess since no one mentioned this and it could possibly be the culprit?
 
fineartboxes said:
fineartboxes said:
I have a ETS150 sander that is  a few years old and have had problems with the sandpaper not staying on the pad. I made sure the pad and paper were clean and free of dust, installed properly and the holes were lined up as they should be but the sandpaper would fly off after several minutes of use. I ordered a new replacement pad and it worked fine for about 5 or 6 months and then the same problem occured. My inexpeensive Maiwaukee 5" ROS is around 11 years old and has never had this problem.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why this continues to happen? I'm hesitant to buy a third pad since this has hgappened twice before.
Thanks for any input
I use the Festool paper and am not applying too much pressure when sanding. Sanding pads should last longer than this in my opinion since it gets light use. My other Festool tools have  been much more dependable Very disappointed in this sander....

OK if this was really a major issue with the pads there would be endless posts about the problem on this forum. You're disappointed but the vast majority of users have no problem. I use my sanders almost everyday since 2008 and average lifespan is about 3 years for a pad unless I pull an Alex and try sanding without the pad. The only paper that likes to fly off is Abranet with out interface pad. The issue is you and your technique of sanding or your just trying to disturb. Really don't care which but its not the pad. I'd go back to using your other sander and sell the Festool.

John
 
kcufstoidi said:
fineartboxes said:
fineartboxes said:
I have a ETS150 sander that is  a few years old and have had problems with the sandpaper not staying on the pad. I made sure the pad and paper were clean and free of dust, installed properly and the holes were lined up as they should be but the sandpaper would fly off after several minutes of use. I ordered a new replacement pad and it worked fine for about 5 or 6 months and then the same problem occured. My inexpeensive Maiwaukee 5" ROS is around 11 years old and has never had this problem.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why this continues to happen? I'm hesitant to buy a third pad since this has hgappened twice before.
Thanks for any input
I use the Festool paper and am not applying too much pressure when sanding. Sanding pads should last longer than this in my opinion since it gets light use. My other Festool tools have  been much more dependable Very disappointed in this sander....

OK if this was really a major issue with the pads there would be endless posts about the problem on this forum. You're disappointed but the vast majority of users have no problem. I use my sanders almost everyday since 2008 and average lifespan is about 3 years for a pad unless I pull an Alex and try sanding without the pad. The only paper that likes to fly off is Abranet with out interface pad. The issue is you and your technique of sanding or your just trying to disturb. Really don't care which but its not the pad. I'd go back to using your other sander and sell the Festool.

John
I spend a lot of money on tools and I am trying  to figure out why my sander that I use has these problems. The issue is Not with me or my technique and your comment about me just trying to disturb is completely goofy. I have been woodworking for well over 50 years full time...and even though this might not be as many years as others, I do know what I am doing. Festool is a very good brand of tools and I own several...however that does not mean that a individual tool could never ever have a defect that might just cause it to not work as it should...
 
Hi fineartboxes 
You say you have a problem; leading to your being ‘disappointed’ with your Festool ETS150 sander.  For sure can understand high level of frustration with this issue. 

Can I start over? 
If I’ve understood correctly - your disappointment relates to the abrasive disc flying off the pad; rather than the general performance of the ETS150 – when discs are holding ok? 
 
My next ‘just curious’ thinking is – what’s the time line of when the pads started to fail holding the abrasive? 
The first pad gave up the ghost after a few years?  If so, might be considered acceptable – ultimately pads are consumables; whilst acknowledging your assertion of light use. 
You state the second pad lasted 5/6 months; would agree that, with proper use, might be unacceptable – again, accepting your assertion of light use.   

Reckon two primary reasons for a pad failing to hold abrasive.  Contamination, such as dust on the pad surface / on the underside of abrasive disc, and/or, the pad not ‘gripping’ the abrasive because the velcro ‘hooks’ maybe just plain worn out / with excessive heat compromising the ability of the pad ‘hooks’ to hang onto the abrasive. 
Would you agree? 

Given your insistence that no contamination – that’s leaves plain worn out – with perhaps, excessive heat of pad contributing; and accepting that the second pad, in particular, not a ‘duff’ one. 

Do you make ‘fine art boxes’ – some images of your work would be appreciated. 
Is it possible that doing a lot of ‘edge’ sanding – can sometimes lead to localised overheating of a pad. 

Assume your dust extraction ok – again lack of may contribute to overheating of pad. 

Assume you haven’t got a bearing, in sander, running so hot that affecting pad. 

No intention to “teach granny to suck eggs” – but what can we say? 
Agree that best to speak to Festool themselves. 

Good luck.
Richard (UK) 

[Edit: Be great if let us know how get on - will add to our collective knowledge - cheers]
 
Which paper are you using?
which pad are you using?
What are you sanding?

Some actual details will help people try to solve your problem. As it is your just moaning.
 
If you think the tool is defective the first place you should call is Festool service, if you don't get the answer from them then you post to the forum and see what the group says. Also just for the record for your first posts it always better to introduce yourself then we don't tend to think of you a sh!t disturber.

John
 
I think someone noted that the pad for the ETS 150 is not the same as for the RO 150. I may be wrong but maybe the hooks on the RO 150 pad are stronger since the pressure on the pad is much higher in aggressive mode.

The ETS 150 is deigned for smooth work and maybe as a point of differentiation they have somehow [huh] toned down the hooks to make the pad smoother?

Whether or not any of the above is true I've found how I use the tool makes a huge difference in the life of the pad. Do you use the sander to chamfer corners? That really is bad for the pad. Once, out of laziness, I used my ETS 125 to round the ends of a some dowels. After three of them the abrasive flew off and nothing would stay on anymore. Like others, I have forgotten put the new abrasive on the pad and started "sanding" again. One time it was on rough plywood. That pad didn't last much longer.

It's probably true that the Festool pads stop holding the disks sooner than some other brands but it's certainly true that the Festool pads are smoother and flatter and consume the abrasive more evenly.
 
I had this happen last year...of course it happened shortly after I was sanding for awhile before realizing I had forgotten to put sandpaper on the pad...oops
 
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