Existential tool choices

There is another old saying that could apply to your situation....  It's easier to ask for forgiveness, than ask for permission....

Buying the Domino 500 is a significant cost, as you really need to buy the tenon systainer, this to provide you with a nice assortment of dominos, but more importantly, you get all of the cutters which does give you some discount as compared to buying each.  Good luck!!!
 
guitar_ed said:
My issue is this.  I have a set of projects that I can do with either a biscuit cutter or a Domino.  I have a biscuit cutter.  Some of my projects would be easier with the domino, some maybe easier with the slop built in to the biscuit.

A Domino may or may not help you but with enough time and attention to detail a biscuit cutter will help you with your projects.

guitar_ed said:
The real problem is that my wife would be really ticked if I ent the $$ for the Domino.  But one of her projects would be easier to build accurately.

I am happy that many "hobbyists" buy Festools, but I understand a wife being ticked if purchasing Festools is a luxury vs a necessity or requirement to earn a living.
On the other hand any upgrades/maintenance to the home at least maintain or increase value so there is an argument to be made for the investment in good tools.
Tim
Tim
 
guitar_ed said:
Hi All,

My issue is this.  I have a set of projects that I can do with either a biscuit cutter or a Domino.  I have a biscuit cutter.  Some of my projects would be easier with the domino, some maybe easier with the slop built in to the biscuit.

The real problem is that my wife would be really ticked if I ent the $$ for the Domino.  But one of her projects would be easier to build accurately.

Thoughts or ideas?

Ain't marriage fun.

edg

Hi Ed

This will be a gamble but if nothing is ventured then nothing can be gained...

Do it, buy the Domino and then make the creation of your life. Top that with a little extra something and proclaim that in the 21st century the Domino is to joinery as Chanel is to perfumery (or something like that).

Oh, and have some chocolates handy just in case.

Peter
 
I face the same dilema,do I Domino, or biscuit joint. No question the Domino costs. I will be putting a dining table top together along with a redwood slab coffee table. I believe the Domino will do a better job. My wife sews and quilts. If you think Festool is expensive, you have not seen the prices on Swiss, German, or Scandinavian sewing machines.
 
SS Teach said:
I face the same dilema,do I Domino, or biscuit joint. No question the Domino costs. I will be putting a dining table top together along with a redwood slab coffee table. I believe the Domino will do a better job. My wife sews and quilts. If you think Festool is expensive, you have not seen the prices on Swiss, German, or Scandinavian sewing machines.

I would agree the domino would be the preferred tool for glueing up a dining table top, however, the biscuit joiner will suffice.  What method would you have used if there wasn't a domino on the market? 

Having said that, the Domino is awesome!!!  That is one tool I would buy again in a heartbeat!!!
 
Idk i keep finding a reason not to buy the Domino. Don't get me wrong i really really want one. So if you can get by with another tool i feel you...

I understand the domino has many creative uses. On the other hand my personal motivation to buy the Domino is to make mortises in large doors and for furniture joinery.

When i consider this is what i really want it for a little voice in the back of my head always chirps up and saiz "yes but a real mortise and tenon the old way, hand cut or on a press is sooooo much more desirable when it comes to a finished piece"! I suppose if this was a tool i wanted to use to make money as i do all my other Festools i might feel different in light of productivity.

Currently i am actually considering purchasing the Powermatic heavy duty hollow chisel mortiser, not the bench top one but the floor model that has a legit table and clamping mechanism. Its just under $1300 shipped to my door.

As for the wife/tool dilemma idk. If its going to create a big problem for you if you just purchase it i would not do it. On the other hand if that be the case i might be more worried about that and what to do about it more than i was worried about wanting a tool.
 
I had a Delta bench top mortiser for years.  Used it a lot.  Then I got a Domino and sold the bench top mortiser.  Like the Domino so much more for flexibility, minimal space, and less mess.

neil
 
Iceclimber said:
Idk i keep finding a reason not to buy the Domino. Don't get me wrong i really really want one. So if you can get by with another tool i feel you...

I understand the domino has many creative uses. On the other hand my personal motivation to buy the Domino is to make mortises in large doors and for furniture joinery.

When i consider this is what i really want it for a little voice in the back of my head always chirps up and saiz "yes but a real mortise and tenon the old way, hand cut or on a press is sooooo much more desirable when it comes to a finished piece"! I suppose if this was a tool i wanted to use to make money as i do all my other Festools i might feel different in light of productivity.

Currently i am actually considering purchasing the Powermatic heavy duty hollow chisel mortiser, not the bench top one but the floor model that has a legit table and clamping mechanism. Its just under $1300 shipped to my door.

As for the wife/tool dilemma idk. If its going to create a big problem for you if you just purchase it i would not do it. On the other hand if that be the case i might be more worried about that and what to do about it more than i was worried about wanting a tool.

As a hobbyist, we all will, at some point try and attempt to master a traditional mortise and tenon. Call it a right-of-passage into the brother and sisterhood of woodworkers. I got real good at making them. Gustav Stickley would have been proud. Only the self-satisfaction of knowing there is an M&T joint in my work mattered. Does wifey know? Yes. Does wifey care? Nope.

Then came the Domino demonstration by my local Festool Rep. How fast did he set it up and start plunging and joining? Wow... This is one purchase (of all my tools) that I will never regret buying. Since owning one, I have sold by Delta Mortiser, biscuit joiner, Loose tenon bead jigs, dowel jigs and shelved the dovetail jig. The only joinery jig I use in conjunction with the Domino is the Kreg Jig only because it helps me with glue-ups on large panels.

Perhaps the Domino isn't for everyone. It's a heavy investment for sure. I still do a traditional M & T on my table saw and hand chisels when required but when I am in between projects and the span of time exceeds weeks or months, the real value is that I don't have to re-learn how to use it or make many test measurements or cuts. There is little to no learning curve (for me) especially when used in conjunction with a Domi-plate. Hardwoods are getting more expensive and mistakes in joinery can get costly and happen more often than we care to admit. The Domino has been a win-win for me.   
 
The reality is i will end up with both.

For me this is more hobby. I really enjoy doing things that take ones full attention and border on OCD perfectionist type A behavior. I have been a contractor my whole life but do general renovations of kitchens baths, build decks, replace doors, windows, interior trim, the occasional built in blah blah. You know mostly stuff that has to be nice not perfect and when something is not perfect you are the only one that will ever know. Or the customer does not know the difference between perfect and good enough and is not willing to pay for perfect or if you quote perfect another guy willing to do less than perfect for less than your quote will get the job. Needles to say i like building nice stuff and my work has just never cut it for me it always comes down to get it done and get out of my hair or get it done because i need to get off this job and onto the next one now.

All along i have done that type work just fine and some very nice work at that with nothing more than tools one can purchase at a big box store.

The recent foray into uber expensive tools has been more about spoiling myself and finally building things to my standard and not just the standard the average person is willing to or can pay.

Also with regard to hand cutting, a mortise machine vrs a Domino. I should mention i am in the process of applying to a full time two year furniture building program that focuses on tradition building techniques largely with hand tools.

 
ElCabong said:
Iceclimber said:
Idk i keep finding a reason not to buy the Domino. Don't get me wrong i really really want one. So if you can get by with another tool i feel you...

I understand the domino has many creative uses. On the other hand my personal motivation to buy the Domino is to make mortises in large doors and for furniture joinery.

When i consider this is what i really want it for a little voice in the back of my head always chirps up and saiz "yes but a real mortise and tenon the old way, hand cut or on a press is sooooo much more desirable when it comes to a finished piece"! I suppose if this was a tool i wanted to use to make money as i do all my other Festools i might feel different in light of productivity.

Currently i am actually considering purchasing the Powermatic heavy duty hollow chisel mortiser, not the bench top one but the floor model that has a legit table and clamping mechanism. Its just under $1300 shipped to my door.

As for the wife/tool dilemma idk. If its going to create a big problem for you if you just purchase it i would not do it. On the other hand if that be the case i might be more worried about that and what to do about it more than i was worried about wanting a tool.

As a hobbyist, we all will, at some point try and attempt to master a traditional mortise and tenon. Call it a right-of-passage into the brother and sisterhood of woodworkers. I got real good at making them. Gustav Stickley would have been proud. Only the self-satisfaction of knowing there is an M&T joint in my work mattered. Does wifey know? Yes. Does wifey care? Nope.

Then came the Domino demonstration by my local Festool Rep. How fast did he set it up and start plunging and joining? Wow... This is one purchase (of all my tools) that I will never regret buying. Since owning one, I have sold by Delta Mortiser, biscuit joiner, Loose tenon bead jigs, dowel jigs and shelved the dovetail jig. The only joinery jig I use in conjunction with the Domino is the Kreg Jig only because it helps me with glue-ups on large panels.

Perhaps the Domino isn't for everyone. It's a heavy investment for sure. I still do a traditional M & T on my table saw and hand chisels when required but when I am in between projects and the span of time exceeds weeks or months, the real value is that I don't have to re-learn how to use it or make many test measurements or cuts. There is little to no learning curve (for me) especially when used in conjunction with a Domi-plate. Hardwoods are getting more expensive and mistakes in joinery can get costly and happen more often than we care to admit. The Domino has been a win-win for me. 
 
I have been reading all this stuff, and I thought I knew what I was going to do.  And then.....  My MIL came thru, and dropped some holiday money that I did not expect.

I was going to skip the Domino.  But now, I can do it.  Tomorrow I will decide.  But probably yes.

I do want to thank everybody for their input.  I do appreciate the time & energy.

edg
 
I think there is a guy on here with a signature that sums this up

My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell all my festools for what I've told her they cost .....

Just lie it's how I've got all mine .she can't believe I use such cheap tools lol
 
A decision has been made.

I bought the Domino 500.  I have one small project to sand & finish, and then I will be using the Domino.

Later,

edg
 
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