Festool 18v cordless drill

RyanMeredith

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I purchased the 18v Festool cordless and on the first day I charged both battery's to a full charge and the green light lit up on the charger, but when I put them into the unit, only one out of the three battery indicators on the back lights up. I drilled a hole through a 6 by  4 joist with a 13mm auger bit and after getting 3 quarters of the way through it felt like it had no power and the bit got stuck. I then tried with a cheap makita cordless and it went strait trough and I removed it with ease. I then tried with my Festool and the same thing happened it started beeping and the bit got stuck.

Has anyone experienced anything like this. Spent £500 on a cordless and I am very disappointed.  [scared]
 
I should bring it right back where you bought it from and ask (demand) for a new one.
This may not happen to any new tool !
If you are disappointed with Festool, it has a 30 day return policy and you can get your money back.

I myself am very satisfied with the Festool T 18 drill.
Maybe not the lightest around there but certainly one of the best on the market and the batteries also have a 3 year warranty.
And that has no other brand (or maybe Hilti).
Only the Protool PDC 18 is better because of the high speed drilling mode of 3800 rpm.
 
Hi.  Sorry, don't have experience with the 18v drill; but it's clearly disappointed you so far.

Where did you buy it from; wondering what the dealer would have to say.
Any chance you'd be able to take it to dealers (with some of 6x4) to try another one out?

Also, how about giving Festool UK a ring - find out what they have to say about your experience.

Just bear in mind Neeleman's point - the Festool 30 day returns policy.
OTOH, maybe you've got such a wonderful Makita that you don't really don't need this particular Festool at all - only joking  [unsure]

Be great if you let us know how you get on.
Richard.

(edit:  maybe this should be in 'Festool Tool Problems.')
 
I have never used a Festool drill, but if its underpowered get a refund. Buy a drill from a different company which has more power  [big grin]
 
Seems like you're running into a charging problem or there is something wrong with that particular drill. My little c12 motors right through stuff like that with ease.

Have the dealer check out the charger and batteries.
 
I have a C15 and a CXS drill. I also have some experience with LiIon batteries in general, so here are my thoughts:

It sounds like either you have a defective battery, or perhaps more likely, the battery's internal "fuel gauge" chip is not yet calibrated to where the battery is truly at. Usually LiIon systems benefit from an initial calibration charge: several hours initially on the charger, followed by usage until shutdown. It isn't memory effect, but more of a calibration of the electronics.

LiIon is different from previous rechargeable battery chemistries in that it is not straightforward to measure capacity. LiIon maintains a nearly steady voltage through most of its range until the very end. So, the manufactures add an internal chip that keeps track of energy IN vs energy OUT as well as maximum and minimum. With a new battery, this "fuel gauge" chip may not have calibrated itself to the true capacity and state of charge of the battery. This takes at least a full charge/discharge cycle. I don't know how exactly Festool may or may not implement this setup, but it is pretty typical.

According to the manual, a solid green light on the Festool charger doesn't necessarily mean the battery is full... only that the charger "thinks" the battery is more than 80% full, so presumably it slows down the charging rate to a trickle in order to not overcharge. You may need to leave the battery on the charger for several hours with that solid green light for the initial charge. At some point, the battery will truly hit "full" which should also calibrate the top end of the internal fuel gauge.

The other end of the fuel gauge would be "empty" ... which is typically only calibrated when you draw down the battery to its "empty" state. The electronics should detect the battery is rapidly nearing empty and shut down to protect the battery. At this point, the internal "fuel gauge" chip should have a good reading on the battery and things will match up.

Another quirk of LiIon batteries... for long-term storage, they are best stored at partial charge, say 15 minutes on the charger.

LiIon have both a cycle life and a calendar life. The latter has been improving... 10 years ago, we were seeing LiIon batteries last at most two years regardless of usage. Now it seems you can get many more years out of them. My experience comes from seeing tens of thousands of LiIon batteries in an industrial setting (handheld bar code scanners).

One last point to keep in mind on LiIon drills... unlike NiCd and NiMH, all LiIon devices must protect the battery. The electronics absolutely must stop the drill if you try to draw too much current, heat the battery up to a certain point, or reach empty. Any of those conditions can lead to bad things happening, such as thermal runaway and a fire (just search YouTube for LiIon Fire for some dramatic examples). With the older chemistries, you were allowed to punish the batteries because at most you were just shortening the life cycle of the battery. LiIon batteries have a more dramatic failure mode, as Boeing has found out the hard way.... monitoring and protecting the battery has to be rock-solid, and I would expect Festool to not have cut any corners in that department.

My C15 drill really does feel as powerful as a brushed 18V drill, so I can't imagine being disappointed with the T18... it should have gobs of torque. I've had no trouble with a 1.25" auger bit through old growth fir... it just goes and goes. However, unlike my old NiMH drill, the C15 will stop and beep if I jam the bit and stall the motor. That protects both the battery and the motor (and my arm).

Hope that helps!

[edited for clarity]
 
I love my T18, and have had no issue with battery life or lack of power. I was using a Hilti SFH-18A previously. Although the Hilti was a 22volt drill, I didn't notice a significant difference in power (just weight). It does sound like you might have a faulty drill or possibly charger. I can't imagine both batteries being bad?
 
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