Festool CTL SYS

[AlexThePalex]

The unit is designed for quick cuts, light sanding and mobility etc so the variable suction is absent.

Well, that's a real bummer. Odd design decision to leave such a thing out. So little extra effort to include it and so much gain in functionality.

But instead it has onboard storage for accessories, which doesn't seem to be the most important feature to me, and even then leaves out the most useful one, the brush.

I also don't understand why this would be a light duty vac. I know Festool and Rupes look very closely to each other for years and copy each other whenever possible. Rupes has this suitcase vac already for a long time and it is most often used for sanding as sanding in the automotive industry is Rupes' core business. That vac of theirs is not run lightly, but used all day.
 

 

[Iceclimber]

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

Add to this the whole Euro topic and Maffel is really gonna steal Festool spot amongst those that really use their tools for income generating work. I think there are two clear demographic that tend to purchase Festool. Those that expect actual usable innovation that translates to time savings, increases in productivity along with improved quality of work. Hence easily justifying the insane inflated prices over the competition. Then those that fall somewhere in the hobbyist or tool collector category.

Clearly i think even the tool collectors would like yo see Festool continue putting the majority of its focus/time and energy producing tools that are innovative game changers that they have been know for vrs a bunch of entry level "$$$$"  type toys priced and marketed to appeal to the homeowner or hobbyist. 

To be clear nothing wrong with hobby use. However if Festool end up marketing and building more for this market i fear sooner than later they will be just that hobby tools and nothing more.

   

Phil

I've just twitched the curtains and I think I'm in the clear.

But this product although good is not the headline act for April. There is more and it's pretty cool....

W

Let's hope they are going to bring out some innovated tools instead of the "toys" they have been releasing recently

 

[Pixel]

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

Add to this the whole Euro topic and Maffel is really gonna steal Festool spot amongst those that really use their tools for income generating work. I think there are two clear demographic that tend to purchase Festool. Those that expect actual usable innovation that translates to time savings, increases in productivity along with improved quality of work. Hence easily justifying the insane inflated prices over the competition. Then those that fall somewhere in the hobbyist or tool collector category.

Clearly i think even the tool collectors would like yo see Festool continue putting the majority of its focus/time and energy producing tools that are innovative game changers that they have been know for vrs a bunch of entry level "$$$$"  type toys priced and marketed to appeal to the homeowner or hobbyist. 

To be clear nothing wrong with hobby use. However if Festool end up marketing and building more for this market i fear sooner than later they will be just that hobby tools and nothing more.

   

Phil

I've just twitched the curtains and I think I'm in the clear.

But this product although good is not the headline act for April. There is more and it's pretty cool....

W

Let's hope they are going to bring out some innovated tools instead of the "toys" they have been releasing recently

As I have said before, in Europe the artisans see Festool as the DIY end of the market and I know of a few down here is the south of France who refuse to see Festool as the new Protool and I think they will have an uphill struggle convincing the trade if they keep making gimmicky tools.
They have just recently rebranded their Carpentry tools, in my opinion the best in class, from Protool to Festool and although they are the same tool the name "Festool" puts a lot of tradesman off.
So a shoulder bag vacuum may sell well in a "Home and Garden" type magazines but not in the trade, my opinion anyway.

 

[Iceclimber]

In the US you also see very few people in the field using Festool. Maybe the occasional cabinet installer or trim carpenter but thats about it. Im not saying they are not used by tradesman in the field but just the fact that for the most part you have to go to a store like Woodcraft to purchase them kinda says it all.

I know when i break out my Festools my co workers kinda laugh a little to them self and i know that they are thinking I'm nuts for spending so much on a tool when another tool that cost half as much can get the job not only done but just as well in most cases.

The fact is i am a carpenter by trade, residential home builder to be specific. I work on only custom homes in the $5-25 million dollar range. I can count on one hand the times in the last 15 years i have seen a Festool on a job sight. These are crazy custom homes where quality of work is of the utmost importance and $$$ is no object for the most part.

Still i love my Festools. I will admit i am also a hobbyist furniture maker hence Festools. I do use my Festools at work from time to time but i have to admit they pretty much live in my shop while my Yellow and Red tools get used everyday.

My opinion is in no way a hit at hobby woodworkers it is just what i see in the field and my personal opinion. As i said i am a hobby furniture maker myself. Im am a tradesman from birth and as much as i have learnt to not only accept but embrace my profession i would give it up for a day job in a minute and hobby woodworking on the weekend and evenings?

You wont get some elitist pro attitude from me as I'm not that guy. Quite the opposite tbh!

 

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

Add to this the whole Euro topic and Maffel is really gonna steal Festool spot amongst those that really use their tools for income generating work. I think there are two clear demographic that tend to purchase Festool. Those that expect actual usable innovation that translates to time savings, increases in productivity along with improved quality of work. Hence easily justifying the insane inflated prices over the competition. Then those that fall somewhere in the hobbyist or tool collector category.

Clearly i think even the tool collectors would like yo see Festool continue putting the majority of its focus/time and energy producing tools that are innovative game changers that they have been know for vrs a bunch of entry level "$$$$"  type toys priced and marketed to appeal to the homeowner or hobbyist. 

To be clear nothing wrong with hobby use. However if Festool end up marketing and building more for this market i fear sooner than later they will be just that hobby tools and nothing more.

   

Phil

I've just twitched the curtains and I think I'm in the clear.

But this product although good is not the headline act for April. There is more and it's pretty cool....

W

Let's hope they are going to bring out some innovated tools instead of the "toys" they have been releasing recently

As I have said before, in Europe the artisans see Festool as the DIY end of the market and I know of a few down here is the south of France who refuse to see Festool as the new Protool and I think they will have an uphill struggle convincing the trade if they keep making gimmicky tools.
They have just recently rebranded their Carpentry tools, in my opinion the best in class, from Protool to Festool and although they are the same tool the name "Festool" puts a lot of tradesman off.
So a shoulder bag vacuum may sell well in a "Home and Garden" type magazines but not in the trade, my opinion anyway.

 

[SittingElf]

Good Evening

Always amazes me how you guys find out about new stuff so quickly.

When you have a myFestool account on the Festool website you'll get the latest news on that (private) account.
Until then it's not published on the regular website.
And normally Festool Germany is the first to publish the new stuff on myFestool

I completely forgot that I have an account on there from when I was in Germany!  I'll have to check more often!

By the way, I haven't seen this CT anywhere before, though it appears to be NAINA as well as the new CTLSYS.  It's called the CT17 E.

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Only the equivalent of $245.00 at current US$/€ rates...before 19% German VAT.

Cheers,

Frank

 

[Pixel]

Good Evening

Always amazes me how you guys find out about new stuff so quickly.

When you have a myFestool account on the Festool website you'll get the latest news on that (private) account.
Until then it's not published on the regular website.
And normally Festool Germany is the first to publish the new stuff on myFestool

I completely forgot that I have an account on there from when I was in Germany!  I'll have to check more often!

By the way, I haven't seen this CT anywhere before, though it appears to be NAINA as well as the new CTLSYS.  It's called the CT17 E.

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Only the equivalent of $245.00 at current US$/€ rates...before 19% German VAT.

Cheers,

Frank

Thats a Protool vac rebranded as Festool, good vacuum that uses standard paper bags, I have a couple of them and find them far better than the midi I was sold with the design flaw, the 90 degree bend as it enters the vacuum.

 

[Frank Pellow]

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

...

I agree that a few  of the things that Festool has brought out recently are quite frivolous.  Most obvious of these is the cooler.

But, a dust collector that one can very easily carry about and even use on a ladder meets a real need and is not all frivolous.  The attached photo shows the degree to which I have done to accomplish this:

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I am actually in both groups that Festool products are aimed at in that about half the time I am a hobbyist and half the time I am a carpenter/contractor/electrician/plumber/painter/builder/roofer.  I believe that this small dust collector will have more appeal to the second group and that, for this group, it meets a real need.

 

[EV]

I don't hope is a April 1st joke.
Although there is a lot of information on Festool Germany under Myfestool.[attachimg=1]

That is so cool!!!  [drooling] [thumbs up]

 

[EV]

hi it's not a april 1st a festool dealer told me about it yesterday and he has seen it him self after i saw him i try to find it but did have the right name for so google wasn't show any thing so cool to see it now [tongue]

Whoever told about it to your dealer breaking the rules big time, as all Festool UK employes were given "right bollocking" (kick in the balls for our US friends) at the sales meeting in February for revealing things before offcial release dates gone past.

I personally was told about something that was supposed to be coming out in in April with previews (demo) starting on 20th March but now has been postponed till further notice. I have no idea what it is as all I was told it will not apply directly to us ( I was at the workshop at the time, guessing workshop environment ), so for all I Know it could be a " [scared] [eek] [bite tongue]concrete mixer"?

Regards

EV

 

[EV]

Good Evening

Always amazes me how you guys find out about new stuff so quickly.

If you get this excited about a dust extractor then I can't wait to see your reaction when you find out about the .......

Hang on, the phones ringing.

Got to love your wit Warren!  [wink] [big grin]

 

[EV]

Thank you for translating Garry.  Does "Suction power thanks to integrated automatic on/off" mean tool-activated?

It is tool activated on/off same as other CT'S
Phil

Phill you treading on glass or am I wrong? [blink]

Regards

EV

PS: Was nice to have a chat with you at FFX Tool Show.

 

[EV]

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

...

I agree that a few  of the things that Festool has brought out recently are quite frivolous.  Most obvious of these is the cooler.

But, a dust collector that one can very easily carry about and even use on a ladder meets a real need and is not all frivolous.  The attached photo shows the degree to which I have done to accomplish this:

[attachimg=1]

I am actually in both groups that Festool products are aimed at in that about half the time I am a hobbyist and half the time I am a carpenter/contractor/electrician/plumber/painter/builder.  I believe that this small dust collector will have more appeal to the second group and that, for this group, it meets a real need.

BLIMEY!!!! [jawdrop]

 

[Jason Kehl]

As someone who uses their tools to earn a living I'm curious which tools are generally considered "frivolous " or aimed at the hobbiest marke. There are some Festool tools and/or accessories that I personally have no use for, but I could easily see another professional finding them beneficial. Festool by no means makes everything I need but what they do make is generally quite practical.

 

[Pixel]

I 100% agree!

If Festool keeps heading this direction they really are going to pigeon hole them self knee deep in the hobbyist only market.

...

I agree that a few  of the things that Festool has brought out recently are quite frivolous.  Most obvious of these is the cooler.

But, a dust collector that one can very easily carry about and even use on a ladder meets a real need and is not all frivolous.  The attached photo shows the degree to which I have done to accomplish this:

[attachimg=1]

I am actually in both groups that Festool products are aimed at in that about half the time I am a hobbyist and half the time I am a carpenter/contractor/electrician/plumber/painter/builder/roofer.  I believe that this small dust collector will have more appeal to the second group and that, for this group, it meets a real need.

Need to ask,

1) why are you using a vacuum outside.
2) how exactly will a shoulder bag vac differ in your use of a vac.

 

[Frank Pellow]

...

Need to ask,

1) why are you using a vacuum outside.
2) how exactly will a shoulder bag vac differ in your use of a vac.

(1) First of all because I'm sanding the facia, soffit, and eve's trough before re-painting and it gets very dusty and not good to breathe.  Secondly the sanding is more effective with the vacuum attached.

(2) Have you tried carrying a large Festool vacuum such as the CT 22 I am using in the picture up a ladder?  It's even difficult for me to manage the CT Mini on a ladder.  I expect that I will make a simple frame to hang from the ladder that will hold the new smaller vacuum.

 

[jools]

I can see a use for this the same as Frank. All older properties here are smothered in lead paint and I would rather the stuff was in a bag than in the air. I maybe wearing a mask but it's still going into the atmosphere. Carrying a midi up on scaffold is hard and hanging it off a ladder is dangerous. Have joined two 5m hoses together but it's very heavy and a handy first floor window is a luxury.  Other box vacums are available here but are not hepa or compatible
Regards
Jools

 

[jimbo51]

So what are the new tools? Is the Domino item an accessory or a new version? How about a TS 25 for sheet goods or a TS 100 for timber framing? The new Festool table saw? It might even have Saw Stop tech inside!

 

[Pixel]

So what are the new tools? Is the Domino item an accessory or a new version? How about a TS 25 for sheet goods or a TS 100 for timber framing? The new Festool table saw? It might even have Saw Stop tech inside!

Lets hope its a Domino 1500, 150mm of depth x up to 15mm domino's, that way I can sell my mortice machines and chain morticers and build everything with just 3 different models of a domino.

Also a relaunch of the Protool Portable Bandsaw Saw that seems to have disappeared

 

[Slartibartfass]

Maybe UL approval has been obtained for various CMS inserts.....?

 

[mouppe]

Maybe UL approval has been obtained for various CMS inserts.....?

Would be nice, but the rumours were started by UK members and dealers where the CMS inserts are already available so I think the new items must be something else.