Festool impact drill

jmbfestool

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Well..................  I am going on Holliday tomoro!

So this is just a quick video I just made to show people the Ti15 drill!

Im not going to say to much untill I have giving it a fair test run and have used it for a bit!  I have only played around with it for 2 hours! Then made this quick video! Ill do a more fair test when I get back off Holliday!  

I did run the test twice swapping the drills around so people cant say your right handed or left handed it aint a fair test bla bla bla!

Watch the video make up your mind for your selfs!  

ALSO I have made a modification with the centrotec!  Because I had a look at the adapter to switch the impact off and couldn't under stand why the heck festool made this ridiculous  adapter for it!  

how it worked and how stupid the design is!    SOOOOO  I thought how could I use the drill in drill mode not impact mode WITH OUT the  adapter!

Festool Impact VS Milwuakee Impact

JMB
 
I would say with no doubt that the Ti15 is not the most powerful impact driver on the market. Fortunately it's good enough for my current needs!

Interesting about the fat adaptor, if that's all it does then it seems pretty dumb.
 
While I admire Festool's ambition to creat a dual purpose tool, I think they should have just gone ahead and made the best impact driver they could - 18 V. and forgotten about the combo unit altogether. You would think that much of their existing customer base already has a Festool drill and are just looking for an impact driver to go with it, use the same batteries, etc. Although they would still look for a differentiator - if only they could come out with a powerful impact driver that would work at right angles and offset as well like their drills do. I'll stick with my C15 and buy a single purpose impact driver if the need arises.
 
Pretty much exactly what you would expect. A 14.4v Brushless impact (4 x 3.6v = 14.4v) against a 18v conventional impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v). The brushless motor in the Festool does help to even out the difference but not enough to make up for 3.6v more power in the Milwaukee. My normal Makita 18v impact would be about the same as the Milwaukee, possibly a bit better with the 4 pole motor but that is getting really picky for differences that you won't actually see in actual use. My Makita Brushless impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v) would do better than all of those and the Hilti 21.6v with 6 cells would probably do better than that.

I love my T15 Li drill but if I wanted something more powerful than my Makita 18v LXT drills, I would have bought the T18 drill.
 
GregBradley said:
Pretty much exactly what you would expect. A 14.4v Brushless impact (4 x 3.6v = 14.4v) against a 18v conventional impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v). The brushless motor in the Festool does help to even out the difference but not enough to make up for 3.6v more power in the Milwaukee. My normal Makita 18v impact would be about the same as the Milwaukee, possibly a bit better with the 4 pole motor but that is getting really picky for differences that you won't actually see in actual use. My Makita Brushless impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v) would do better than all of those and the Hilti 21.6v with 6 cells would probably do better than that.

I love my T15 Li drill but if I wanted something more powerful than my Makita 18v LXT drills, I would have bought the T18 drill.

panasonic 14.4 always felt  more powerful than my makita 18 lxt. should have done a side by side.
 
Protool seem to do a much better job - they should just make 'em green!
 
jmbfestool said:
GregBradley said:
Pretty much exactly what you would expect. A 14.4v Brushless impact (4 x 3.6v = 14.4v) against a 18v conventional impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v). The brushless motor in the Festool does help to even out the difference but not enough to make up for 3.6v more power in the Milwaukee. My normal Makita 18v impact would be about the same as the Milwaukee, possibly a bit better with the 4 pole motor but that is getting really picky for differences that you won't actually see in actual use. My Makita Brushless impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v) would do better than all of those and the Hilti 21.6v with 6 cells would probably do better than that.

I love my T15 Li drill but if I wanted something more powerful than my Makita 18v LXT drills, I would have bought the T18 drill.

The festool is brushless so the festool even though is a 14.4 should have more power and beat the milwuakee 18v impact hence why I did the test with the milwuakee impact cus I believed it was a fair test. 

  Dean social has the Panasonic 14.4 brusheless  which has more power than my 18v milwuakee impact.

So when I get back of Holliday Me and Dean social will do a Panasonic 14.4 vs festool 14.4.

And like I said I'll do some more tests and write what I truly feel about the drill when I have used it abit more in the field.

Jmb

i was just going to say that jmb.
 
jmbfestool said:
mastercabman said:
So those the impact drill has different gears for low/high speed?

No.

The drill has impact mode and drill mode.    The adapter turns impact mode off but with my little modifications on the end of the CENTROTEC holder that ALSO turn the impact mode off with out the need of the stupid adapter.

Jmb
That adapter is really something they need to re work the design.
 
jmbfestool said:
GregBradley said:
Pretty much exactly what you would expect. A 14.4v Brushless impact (4 x 3.6v = 14.4v) against a 18v conventional impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v). The brushless motor in the Festool does help to even out the difference but not enough to make up for 3.6v more power in the Milwaukee. My normal Makita 18v impact would be about the same as the Milwaukee, possibly a bit better with the 4 pole motor but that is getting really picky for differences that you won't actually see in actual use. My Makita Brushless impact (5 x 3.6v = 18v) would do better than all of those and the Hilti 21.6v with 6 cells would probably do better than that.

I love my T15 Li drill but if I wanted something more powerful than my Makita 18v LXT drills, I would have bought the T18 drill.

The festool is brushless so the festool even though is a 14.4 should have more power and beat the milwuakee 18v impact hence why I did the test with the milwuakee impact cus I believed it was a fair test. 

  Dean social has the Panasonic 14.4 brusheless  which has more power than my 18v milwuakee impact.

So when I get back of Holliday Me and Dean social will do a Panasonic 14.4 vs festool 14.4.

And like I said I'll do some more tests and write what I truly feel about the drill when I have used it abit more in the field.

Jmb
I ran an on-the-job test between the Makita Brushless and the Panasonic Brushless. The Makita drove lags faster but the Panasonic drove more before the battery died.

I think you will find the 14.4v Festool and 14.4 Panasonic about equal. You might have to try your test with different size screws to get the best results as it is possible that one could be designed more toward smaller screws and the other toward larger screws. One might win driving 5mm lags and the other driving 7mm lags.
 
Hi
First post so hi to all. Lurked for a while and have used Festool for a long time in my trade work.
The TI15 adapter works like this so that the other chucks can be used, right angle etc. For small screw and fixings this system works well. Driving in a single fixing is a bit harsh on both machines, battery usage needs to be taken in to account as well, one may do a 100 the other 130 so which is the quicker machine?
 
I find it strange as well that the large adaptor only pushes a pin inside the driveshaft. Wouldn't it be smaller and easier if festool had made a centrotec adapter that was a little shorter so when the drillbit or driver is received it travels deeper inside and disables the impact?! They could make it a different colour similar to the different sanding pads- grey for example instead of green.

Ok JMB it's interesting that you figured out how to disable the impact but if you want to really impress everyone you should try and do what festool should have done in the first place. Enable the impact while using the right angle attachment!!

No really can you? ;)
 
Dogwood said:
Ok JMB it's interesting that you figured out how to disable the impact but if you want to really impress everyone you should try and do what festool should have done in the first place. Enable the impact while using the right angle attachment!!

No really can you? ;)

That doesn't seem to be too hard, just order an extra adapter and modify it (with a dremel or something). But maybe they did it on purpose, because the festool right angle chuck isn't up for the task. (it does make funny noises if you drive longer screws with it).

/edit: typo
 
has anyone looked at the ekat system to see whats inide the adapter.
the ekat site wont stay open for me
 
Great, thanks!
Keep us posted and be as longwinded as you like I'm sure there's a lot of people like myself who wont be able to see the ti15 for a while and are really curious whether it is something to hold out for.

Quick question- you mentioned the drill isnt very powerful when not in impact mode- do you just mean in terms of driving screws or drilling as well. Is it the same power as a T15 in other words?

Thanks
 
jmbfestool said:
Frank-Jan said:
Dogwood said:
Ok JMB it's interesting that you figured out how to disable the impact but if you want to really impress everyone you should try and do what festool should have done in the first place. Enable the impact while using the right angle attachment!!

No really can you? ;)

That doesn't seem to be too hard, just order an extra adapter and modify it (with a dremel or something). But maybe they did it on purpose, because the festool right angle chuck isn't up for the task. (it does make funny noises if you drive longer screws with it).

/edit: typo

?????   The adapter is ONLY turning the impact OFF nothing more! So the angle chuck being fitted directly onto the drill with what I mentioned with option 2 a long pin would turn the impact OFF and so would just work the same like if it was attached to the adapter and so would hold up EASILY! because the drill isnt very powerfull when impact is OFF.

What Dogwood wants to achieve, and what I think is usefull to, is to mount the angle chuck with impact mode ON. If it's possible to mount the rightangle chuck directly to the drill, without the adapter, and the impact function still works, then off course there's no need for any modification.
My understanding was that the right angle chuck couldn't be mounted without the adapter.  (So apart from turning the impact off, it ALSO enables the mounting of the angled chuck, which is the function that will remain after the modification)
My last comment suggested that maybe the internals of the right angle chuck might not be heavy duty enough to handle the extra force of the impact.
 
Dogwood said:
Great, thanks!
Keep us posted and be as longwinded as you like I'm sure there's a lot of people like myself who wont be able to see the ti15 for a while and are really curious whether it is something to hold out for.

Quick question- you mentioned the drill isnt very powerful when not in impact mode- do you just mean in terms of driving screws or drilling as well. Is it the same power as a T15 in other words?

Thanks

Thought I would answer your question twice. Here is a video.

This is for people who think buying the Ti15 is like buying two drills in one!  They will be very mistaken! The drill in driver mode doesn't come any where near the power the T15 has!  Also the drill spins down to a stop it does not have electric brake so as far as trying to control how far to drill a screw or a hole is impossible.

Festool VS Festool

Jmb
 
Wow the video really shows what you mean! This is a HUGE disappointment.

When the TI15 first came out many people said how silly it was that it converted into a drill and that most people have a separate impact and drill anyways. I felt it was similar to people that say the festool attachments are overrated such as the right angle and how one could just buy a devoted right angle drill. I figured if it was a Festool impact then it would be great and if you needed another drill it could do that too.

Well not only does it have a pointlessly large impact-disabling adaptor such as JMB showed but it also looks to have the same power as a cxs!!

I was originally wondering why it wasn't a TI18 in the first place. I mean the biggest advantage of an impact is the high torque with little or no torque response on the user which is important when driving large fastners not small ones.

AND (just to vent a little more) not having the right angle attachment work with impact?! if the right angle isnt up to the task theres a solution- make one that is. When so many companies make affordable right angle drivers for their cordless platforms its pretty lame Festool cant...

 
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