Festool impact drill

I used it for a while today and it is heavy and slower than the Panasonic. I thought the adapters where over engineered and add more weight to the drill. What's needed is a good impact driver not jack of all, maste of none
 
Just to address a reoccurring comment in this thread -- The adapter that overrides the impact is for drilling purposes. If you're driving screws, you should generally use the impact feature with the TI 15. For right angle driving, there's enough torque to drive a common sized screw.
 
Shane Holland said:
Just to address a reoccurring comment in this thread -- The adapter that overrides the impact is for drilling purposes. If you're driving screws, you should generally use the impact feature with the TI 15. For right angle driving, there's enough torque to drive a common sized screw.
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What are these drilling purposes you speak of Shane? As tomorrow I'm going to have a play and I don't think it's up to much more than piolet hole myself.
 
I just drilled holes with the 15-35mm diameter Zobo bits into a Douglas Fir 4x4. Granted, not hardwood. I stalled out a little with the 35mm after about an 1" deep or so. That's way more than a pilot hole IMO.
 
Shane Holland said:
I just drilled holes with the 15-35mm diameter Zobo bits into a Douglas Fir 4x4. Granted, not hardwood. I stalled out a little with the 35mm after about an 1" deep or so. That's way more than a pilot hole IMO.
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So Shane, if the TI15 is having trouble an inch down with the 35mm should I just be buying the T15 and then a seperate impactor? 
I've been waiting for the TI15 for some time now in Canada and a fellow carpenter couldn't wait any longer and he bought the C15 instead. He absolutely loves it with no complaints and apparently from JMB's tests above, it's more powerful.  I'm continuosly impressed at how well all my festool's work and exceed my expectations but this current thread has my first doubt's?
 
mikegandy said:
So Shane, if the TI15 is having trouble an inch down with the 35mm should I just be buying the T15 and then a seperate impactor? 
I've been waiting for the TI15 for some time now in Canada and a fellow carpenter couldn't wait any longer and he bought the C15 instead. He absolutely loves it with no complaints and apparently from JMB's tests above, it's more powerful.  I'm continuosly impressed at how well all my festool's work and exceed my expectations but this current thread has my first doubt's?
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Mike, the TI 15 was primarily designed as an impact driver. It's convenient that it has the capability that it can do other tasks, but there is a slight compromise that comes with that versatility. It's got a very high RPM, 3900 if I recall correctly, but lower torque because of it. EDIT: I felt it was important to say that I have personally tested it against many competitors top-of-the-line impacts and saw no appreciable difference in impact driving performance between any of them, including the TI 15. The advantage of the TI 15 is that it's more than just an impact.

So, to answer your question, the C-series and T-series drills are going to offer more torque. But the TI 15 will offer faster drilling and driving speeds in most applications. So it's the question of speed or torque to choose the best one for your needs. It some cases, it will be the combination of both.

The TI 15 will, as far as I know, be offered in the US/Canada as just a bare tool without the charger and batteries (or maybe one battery). I don't remember the scope of delivery right off hand. As a bare tool, it will come in a systainer that will accommodate the TI 15 and another Festool drill, as shown below.

I think most TI 15 buyers will also have or get a standard Festool drill to complement it, probably in the form of this bare tool configuration. It really depends on your specific needs.

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Yes, the combo systainer is nice. Brice nailed it, that thread is where I try to provide the latest ETAs on new tool introductions.
 
As I've said on many responses to criticisms of the Ti15 ... it's a good impact driver (not the world's most powerful) and it can be used as a drill if necessary. I have a combination of a C15 and Ti15 and I have the flexibility of swapping batteries, chucks if I need to ... common charging, systainer storage, Festool warranty, etc, etc.

I don't think the Ti15 is ideal for the serious framing style builder - that's what Protool is for! ... or Hilti if you must!

I've used mine a fair bit, it's working fine and I'm happy with it (I also know without question that if I have a problem with it, it'll be repaired mediately at no cost to me). I also think that it makes a reasonably attractive option for the C15/T15 owner wanting impact functionality.

I honestly can't imagine that someone would buy the Ti15 as their only drill - if you believe that's an optimum solution you may end up being a little disappointed with your investment as it is a compromise.

I honestly think there'd be less complaining if Festool had released and marketed the Ti15 as a dedicated light~medium duty impact unit only.

 
I just don't understand why all the adapters etc, my impact driver will drill 35mm holes with a hex detent bit just fine. If like Kev said sold as a light medium duty impact then I wouldn't analyse it to much. I dont see the need for drill function when sold with or as an addition to the other drills as it adds weight and money to the price.
 
Dean, if you want to drill holes with the TI15 in impact mode, go for it. No adapters required. But impact mode is really designed to assist with driving screws, not for drilling holes. It's probably a good way to damage a drill bit.

JMB, I saw your video comparing the TI15 to the T15. You're using your custom bit holder with the pin on it to override the impact mode. That doesn't make sense to me. That defeats the benefit of using an impact driver to drive screws. I think that completely misrepresents the TI15's capabilities by overriding the impact mode.

If you're running a common screw, say a 2" wood screw, the TI 15 will run it fine in non-impact mode with the right angle adapter or whatever. But if you're driving long or large diameter screws, why would you defeat the impact mode? I just don't get why you would do that. Do the same video again comparing the TI15 to the T15 with a large screw and use the impact mode.
 
I did drive a screw with both and the t15 won speed wise BUT the t15 can't handle lots of these big screws as it breaks the drill.
 
jmbfestool said:
Shane Holland said:
Dean, if you want to drill holes with the TI15 in impact mode, go for it. No adapters required. But impact mode is really designed to assist with driving screws, not for drilling holes. It's probably a good way to damage a drill bit.

JMB, I saw your video comparing the TI15 to the T15. You're using your custom bit holder with the pin on it to override the impact mode. That doesn't make sense to me. That defeats the benefit of using an impact driver to drive screws. I think that completely misrepresents the TI15's capabilities by overriding the impact mode.

If you're running a common screw, say a 2" wood screw, the TI 15 will run it fine in non-impact mode with the right angle adapter or whatever. But if you're driving long or large diameter screws, why would you defeat the impact mode? I just don't get why you would do that. Do the same video again comparing the TI15 to the T15 with a large screw and use the impact mode.
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Shane,  

My custom bit was only to demonstrate the fact their is NO NEED for the adapter and I just then carried on to show the drills power in drill mode thats all.    

The adapter is a stupid design it makes the drill heavier to its already heavy weight and it adds the weight in the wrong place not very good for wrists.

Festool could of made it so you did not need the adapter I have come up with the solution within 5mins of holding the drill! EASY! My solution would ELIMINATE the need for the adapter!    All festool needs to supply with the Impact is a bit holder with a drilled out shaft this would be the bit to use for impact mode!  

If you attach a angle chuck jacob chuck like it was a T18-T15 it would turn the impact OFF!  Its not rocket science!

Not only that the adapter doesn't attach 40% of the time which is annoying!  
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The adapter with one hand operation if your rushing spins round when removing it from the drill which then makes it awkward attaching the adapter with one hand operation and so required two hands to attach which is a NO NO!

Shane these comments are coming from me a USER! and from 3 other joiners who are also USERS.  
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Hey I only take it for medicinal use
 
I'm not going to argue the merits of the TI15. You two don't like it and that's fine. But, I still think you're misrepresenting it.
 
Which drill is it heavier then? Which drill is it lighter then? I was at ToolNut this weekend and compared to my CXS and original C12, i think all the other Festool drills are heavy
 
I believe the "misrepresenting" video was posted in response to a question I asked of JMB: Is the TI 15 basically the same in drill mode as a T15?

JMB then showed a video where he drove (as opposed to drilled) two large screws as it is easier to see when a driver is struggling to set a fastener. The TI 15 was not able to drive the screw as easily as the T15.

It appears to have the power of a T/C12 or CXS in drill mode which I was not expecting and I bet others as well.
 
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