greg mann said:Paul G said:Jerome said:Paul G said:when we bought our first home about 15 years ago we had a total of about $5,000 left to fix things up enough to occupy. That included getting tools since I had few living in the apartment. Had to scrape and smooth all ceilings, paint everything inside and out, buy oven, fridge, dishwasher, microwave, replace kitchen sink and faucets, replace flooring, replace 3 bathroom vanities/faucets/toilets, add window coverings, etc. Among tools needed were a circular saw, sander, vac, screw gun and router. If I went Festool on just those tools alone it would have blown 1/2 my meager budget and not accomplished the work needed in the time I had to get it done. So from my personal experience and also the experience of many of our like minded cash strapped first time home buying friends, the idea of spending $600 on a circular saw, $300 on a sander, $500 on a router, $600 on a vac and $400 on a drill wouldn't even cross our minds no matter how slick the marketing.
There again its education. For the first 2 years in my first place I had no carpet as I couldn't afford a good one so I had building paper on the floor. My appliances were used as was all the furniture. Things got better as I got higher wages. But I either had old used or, when I could afford it good quality new.
You got what you could afford as you could afford it. No HP just save and when you can get good quality then buy. Year end sales helped as did my local auction house.
It's the instant gratification culture and the "we deserve everything now" syndrome that's the problem.
Of course you couldn't afford the tools at that time but you coul rent the ones you needed for a short time and build up as money got more easy.
Let's see, I'm uneducated and am immersed in the instant gratification culture because I didn't buy festool and didn't live on splintery plywood floors for two years? If only we had forgone the solid gold sinks bought at full retail I could have bought Festool instead. Year end sales, closeouts, garage sales, auctions and second hand stores, dang I wish I would have thought of that! :You're being terribly presumptuous about me and the condition of the home we bought. It's probably time for me to exit this thread before I say something I regret.
I didn't think Jerome was necessarily targeting you, Paul. I felt he was still writing in general terms.
If not for Jerome saying "you" seven times I'd agree. Hopefully I completely misunderstood what was being said.
greg mann said:We all arrived here through wide and varying circumstances. I think his general point was that it takes a while for many (most?) folks to learn the value of quality, in whatever venue or endeavor. Sure, there are some of us who learn it early; in my case from a friends father who used the very best mechanic's tools and was still upgrading his chain saws in his eighties. There is a difference between knowing the existence of quality tools but still not being able to buy accordingly, at a certain point in time, because of financial constraints. "Someday, I will be able to get what I want in tools because I have what I need in other essentials."
For me, I have spent my career searching out the best and most up-to-date metalcutting tools; drills, taps, endmills, facemills, etc. The search has also resulted in initiating the design of many special, job specific tools, somewhat analogous to dedicated jigs and fixture in the woodworking world. When my interest in woodworking evolved I wound up using the same intellectual muscles to find high quality tools. The point is: We all arrive here in various manner but there are general similarities within that journey which manifest themselves most often after we have collected some of life's wisdom. The age at which we gain it may vary greatly and it should probably also be recognized that many folks never get there.
I do believe a certain percentage of those younger folks will not get the woodworking bug until they are older, maybe after children are raised and time and money are avilable. That is a path many of us have taken and there is no reason to believe it won't continue to happen. I am willing to bet Festool recognizes they will usually sell to an older crowd.
In my career I also go for the best simply because it generally gives me a competitive advantage. For me Festools aren't filling that dominant role (working on personal projects around the house and renovating/repairing rentals) which makes me a tougher sell for Festool. For example I'm sure the ETS 125 and 150 are great sanders, no doubt in my mind, but until such time as my other branded 5" and 6" ROs no longer do their job I doubt I'll be getting either ETS whether I have the money or not. Where Festool gets into my toolcrib is when I have a missing functionality (TS, domino, RO90, CT), but when I was starting out my situation was simple: there's a pile of wood that needs cutting and I've got $xx to make it happen. Anything priced $xxx is out of the running. This is why from my experience the OP's premise that young first time home buyers simply aren't in large part a target market for Festool, simply because they lack the money whether they like the quality of the tool or not. Necessity and budget are the driving force.
But hey, this is ultimately for Festool to decide, the only reason I find this interesting is there may be something to glean to grow my own business.