why festool doesn't have real impact driver like milwaukee or makita etc. something thats small and would have interchangeable batteries with 18v drill and stuff. i think it would be great combo kit with their drill or even better with PDC quadrive drill . sure think i'll be more money than other brands but I'm willing to pay that if i don't have to carry around another charger and more batteries . to me this think would sell like crazy we all use one so why there isn't any? and before some people start saying that there is festool impact i mean "real " impact no bells and whistles no chucks that make this thing huge. just the tool that works and have festool unbeatable quality
Festool please bring Real impact driver
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I agree with wintu that the Ti15 appears to be a bit of a compromise in terms of pure impact however if it didn't have the ability to change heads there would be a bigger outcry.
I'm one of the few who can't justify the Festool drill range to myself. Sure I have a CXS, but given its price point and feature set that's a no-brainer. The larger drills however just don't tempt me and the lack of an impact driver that competes in the market is part of my reasoning. Don't get me wrong I have no doubt that Festool drills are worth every penny and I know one day I will relent and buy more. For now though I concur, I'm a little lost why there aren't more options than the Ti15.
I'm one of the few who can't justify the Festool drill range to myself. Sure I have a CXS, but given its price point and feature set that's a no-brainer. The larger drills however just don't tempt me and the lack of an impact driver that competes in the market is part of my reasoning. Don't get me wrong I have no doubt that Festool drills are worth every penny and I know one day I will relent and buy more. For now though I concur, I'm a little lost why there aren't more options than the Ti15.
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This may or may not be related to Festool's view on impact drivers, but at the Hardware I work at weekends a significant number of our driver bit and nutsetter sales (Proffessional and DIY) are due to replacing the ones broken by impact drivers.
Sales are so high, we now have them at the sales counter in the TimberYard and checkout in the shop.
This may or may not be related to Festool's view on impact drivers, but at the Hardware I work at weekends a significant number of our driver bit and nutsetter sales (Proffessional and DIY) are due to replacing the ones broken by impact drivers.
Sales are so high, we now have them at the sales counter in the TimberYard and checkout in the shop.
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I have ranted enough about the Festool cordless drills/drivers that I won't do it again. But this thread actually took me down another line of reasoning...and I can't believe it took me this long to get there?!
[embarassed]
Given Festool's penchant for designing unique tools - think 'Domino' - perhaps they don't really INTEND to be best-of-class in the the drill/driver category? Hear me out before you pounce, please?
I'm not saying their drills/drivers are lower quality than we expect from Festool. Not al all.
What I'm saying is, it's hard to come up with a substantially different/innovative product in a highly mature product category. Sure, they can make it A LITTLE smoother. They can offer a better alternative (CentroTec) to the traditional chuck. And they can improve runout - A LITTLE - but other drills also make holes that are perfectly fine for maybe 99% of all applications.
So beyond that...what would YOU do?
I'm now starting to think that perhaps Festool only offers a drill/driver line AT ALL simply so that a typical cabinet builder/installer (i.e. typical Festool customer) can have another 'systainerized' tool that matches the rest of their system of track saws, Dominos, sanders. etc. And again, this isn't a SLAM on Festool - it's just an observation.
If I'm right, this explains the limited offering of impact drivers - oops, driveR, since there's only one. It also explains why there aren't other 'common' cordless tools from Festool like a reciprocating saw, angle grinder, 'true' impact, etc.
If all of the above speculation is correct, then it stands to reason that any of us would be well served by having another cordless line of tools in our arsenal for when they are needed. It therefore makes sense to invest in something like the Milwaukee M12 or M18 Fuel line as a nice complement to the relatively sparse offering of cordless tools by Festool.
And to make the point ONE MORE TIME, this *still* isn't a knock on Festool. They may have merely made a management decision that if they can't innovate the category, why bring out a 'me too' product even if it is slightly higher quality?
Hard to fault them for that, I guess...
[popcorn]
[embarassed]
Given Festool's penchant for designing unique tools - think 'Domino' - perhaps they don't really INTEND to be best-of-class in the the drill/driver category? Hear me out before you pounce, please?
I'm not saying their drills/drivers are lower quality than we expect from Festool. Not al all.
What I'm saying is, it's hard to come up with a substantially different/innovative product in a highly mature product category. Sure, they can make it A LITTLE smoother. They can offer a better alternative (CentroTec) to the traditional chuck. And they can improve runout - A LITTLE - but other drills also make holes that are perfectly fine for maybe 99% of all applications.
So beyond that...what would YOU do?
I'm now starting to think that perhaps Festool only offers a drill/driver line AT ALL simply so that a typical cabinet builder/installer (i.e. typical Festool customer) can have another 'systainerized' tool that matches the rest of their system of track saws, Dominos, sanders. etc. And again, this isn't a SLAM on Festool - it's just an observation.
If I'm right, this explains the limited offering of impact drivers - oops, driveR, since there's only one. It also explains why there aren't other 'common' cordless tools from Festool like a reciprocating saw, angle grinder, 'true' impact, etc.
If all of the above speculation is correct, then it stands to reason that any of us would be well served by having another cordless line of tools in our arsenal for when they are needed. It therefore makes sense to invest in something like the Milwaukee M12 or M18 Fuel line as a nice complement to the relatively sparse offering of cordless tools by Festool.
And to make the point ONE MORE TIME, this *still* isn't a knock on Festool. They may have merely made a management decision that if they can't innovate the category, why bring out a 'me too' product even if it is slightly higher quality?
Hard to fault them for that, I guess...
[popcorn]
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[size=14pt]WOW you may have some good points there, except for three Festool drills that I think are innovative.
1. http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/768939/SubProducts/768938
2. http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/500751/SubProducts/768928
And then there is the CXS.
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But I have just remembered,
two if these are currently NAINA. [eek]
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However, the fact I did not mention the TI15, supports your views as they relate to impact drivers. [smile]
1. http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/768939/SubProducts/768938
2. http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/500751/SubProducts/768928
And then there is the CXS.
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But I have just remembered,
two if these are currently NAINA. [eek]
[size=36pt]Yet [smile]
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However, the fact I did not mention the TI15, supports your views as they relate to impact drivers. [smile]
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Untidy Shop said:
I have been rather vocal [wink] about my desire for a PDC. To the point that I basically BEGGED Festool to send me one in advance of it becoming AINA. But so far...
The Quadrill is also something that might be of interest if it were AINA, but I don't typically use corded drills.
And if I didn't already own so many M12 products I would consider the CXS. As it stands, though, it appears to be a 'nice' drill - but it's 4X the price I paid for my M12 stuff!!! And I have yet to find a reason to be unhappy or disappointed with any of my M12 products.
In the end, none of that changes my observations.
But - strangely enough - coming to this epiphany *ALMOST* makes me soften a little in my criticism of the Festool drills. Is that weird?
talking to the Festool guys at a recent trade show here in australia [AWISA] i think their direction with the 18v line will expand out to having an impact driver. The extra batteries and the charger are really well priced, actually, we could not believe how cheap the charger was, considering its a Festool item. They couldnt give us any ideas on what was coming up.
For now, i will sit on the fence with my LXT gear. Often in Joinery / cabinetmaking, you get big jobs that require grunt, meaning a impact driver with guts. I think an 18v impact driver is needed.
For now, i will sit on the fence with my LXT gear. Often in Joinery / cabinetmaking, you get big jobs that require grunt, meaning a impact driver with guts. I think an 18v impact driver is needed.
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Can I just remind everyone that Festool has / had a honking impact wrench in the IWC 18. A high power impact is well within their design and engineering capability.
http://www.festool.com.au/IWC-18-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-18V
Let's just remember the German thinking and approach to engineering, typically the right tool with the right amount of power for it's intended application. This may hark back to a previous volatile thread, but I believe Festool engineer their tools for a target purpose / process - then go about selling them. Building a tool based on desires for "power" is probably lost!
They need use cases [wink] [big grin]
http://www.festool.com.au/IWC-18-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-18V
Let's just remember the German thinking and approach to engineering, typically the right tool with the right amount of power for it's intended application. This may hark back to a previous volatile thread, but I believe Festool engineer their tools for a target purpose / process - then go about selling them. Building a tool based on desires for "power" is probably lost!
They need use cases [wink] [big grin]
I think that there needs to be an accepted definition for each of the following:
- Impact Driver
- Combi Drill
- Percussion Drill
- Hammer Drill
Peter
- Impact Driver
- Combi Drill
- Percussion Drill
- Hammer Drill
Peter
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i second and third and fourth the CALLS, YELLS, schreiking from festool users for a
release of the quadrill and pdc (sp?) from europe into USA.
my reasons:
1)i noticed that no one buys festool drills, look at the leftovers at the reconditioned sale?
there is no demand for them even at a discount? a used one? sure some of those units
cleared, but compare that to higher priced kapex's, the mft/3, the cms, the ts75, the dominos, the routers?
i infer that the units which sell out, is where there are holes in festool collections or demand
for spares. but no buyers for festool drills for exist.
i can hear the cat calls, but the truth is in the remaining items on the recon list.
there are so many excellent drills, and festool has no advantage in the drill category, because there
is no connection to the vacuum. and then the unusual centroc (sp?) connection just makes this
a niche product. let me say, festool needs at a minimum to put a "battery level" indicator on the
exterior of the battery just to catch up.
2) i know the festool tools have lower torque and work fine for wood workers. *defined as
cabinet makers, occasional users
but if one were to occasionally frame walls, they will find these festool offerings lacking, this
wont change no matter how many people say my unit is fine for my use, whatever that means,
which is nothing to me, the truth is in the use and there is no general tool, there is too much
torque also, but to stake out the underpower sector is not a full marketing strategy.
3)only festool knows what the drill penetration is verses the ts55 penetration vs the jigsaw
penetration, and only festool knows how much more of the market is waiting for a real tool.
4)bosch has a 5 amp hour 18 volt battery on a 1600+ ft/lb impact wrench, and it has battery
level indicator, and it is brushless, and has three speeds and display light. festool pdc would
match, but not in north america.
release of the quadrill and pdc (sp?) from europe into USA.
my reasons:
1)i noticed that no one buys festool drills, look at the leftovers at the reconditioned sale?
there is no demand for them even at a discount? a used one? sure some of those units
cleared, but compare that to higher priced kapex's, the mft/3, the cms, the ts75, the dominos, the routers?
i infer that the units which sell out, is where there are holes in festool collections or demand
for spares. but no buyers for festool drills for exist.
i can hear the cat calls, but the truth is in the remaining items on the recon list.
there are so many excellent drills, and festool has no advantage in the drill category, because there
is no connection to the vacuum. and then the unusual centroc (sp?) connection just makes this
a niche product. let me say, festool needs at a minimum to put a "battery level" indicator on the
exterior of the battery just to catch up.
2) i know the festool tools have lower torque and work fine for wood workers. *defined as
cabinet makers, occasional users
but if one were to occasionally frame walls, they will find these festool offerings lacking, this
wont change no matter how many people say my unit is fine for my use, whatever that means,
which is nothing to me, the truth is in the use and there is no general tool, there is too much
torque also, but to stake out the underpower sector is not a full marketing strategy.
3)only festool knows what the drill penetration is verses the ts55 penetration vs the jigsaw
penetration, and only festool knows how much more of the market is waiting for a real tool.
4)bosch has a 5 amp hour 18 volt battery on a 1600+ ft/lb impact wrench, and it has battery
level indicator, and it is brushless, and has three speeds and display light. festool pdc would
match, but not in north america.
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My T15+3 (and TI15) are both brushless and both have fuel gauges on them. I won't argue there are more powerful units out there but my drill can bore out 1-1/2" holes all day with no problem and sinking large lags is not much of a problem either. My TI15 is really powerful too. Admittedly I would like a more Western stylized chuck for our standard bits in a centrotec system but.... [unsure]. I will admit the M18 Fuel impactor is powerful but my lil 15v runs my syslight and would also run the Carvex if I didn't have the corded version. I really wish they'd put that PDC out though! That thing looks like a freakin' powerhouse with a ton of uses!
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