Festool quality curve

I've used a lot of tools that came from China; some good, some garbage. Fairly hard to avoid these days. However, I try very hard to avoid buying made in china.
I don't have an issue paying more for a product made in a country where it is more likely that workers were paid a living wage for their skills. I do have a problem paying more for a product that is produced in a place where it is more likely workers are being paid slave wages.
Regardless of quality control, if Festool started making tools in china and then selling them at the current prices I would be done buying Festool.
 
for the record made in japan once was a curse now its quality. Everyday I set up my Makita ls1211(made in 1995 in japan and usa) on my sawhelper stand. Quality stuff made by skilled people being used by skilled people. There will come a time when there are enough yuppies or rich folks in China where quality will be demanded by made in China and than we will be moving to made in Africa or mars or some other cheaper place.
 
China is already moving up the cost curve for manufacture.  The company I work for built a plant in China with a Chinese partner.  They said they could get the plant up faster than seemed possible.  They didn't quite make it but were closer than we expected.  They spend another 6 months fixing it, however.  But today it works.  Cost of manufacture is higher than forecast so today it isn't really lower than U. S. manufacture.  Maybe someday it will be.

China sets up companies to compete against each other.  They have their own idea of how to do competition.  They are a problem with respect to intellectual property but they aren't the only ones with that issue.  They are a huge country and own so much of our government bonds they could cause us serious harm without doing anything more than dumping them on the market (I'm in the U. S.). 

I don't view a "made in China" label positively but I also don't see it very negatively either.  I have a car made in Japan (a Suzuki SUV) and one made in Germany (a BMW, since it's a car, it's properly a "bimmer" - a "beemer" is a motorcycle).  Sample of one but the bimmer is made better than the Zuk.  But it also cost roughly twice as much.  I didn't buy a bimmer because of brand, I bought it because it drives differently than Japanese and American cars.  I've seen no reviews indicating Korean cars drive like bimmers.  China will send cars here but I would be reluctant to buy them, at least soon.  Maybe in a few years.  But my bimmer needs an evaporative system pump I've never had to replace on a Japanese or American cars.  They are not known for unusually high quality.

I think its perfectly OK for people to spend their money however they want.  If you want to "buy American" or buy German or just avoid China that is fine.  But I don't think the country of manufacture is anything more than a rough indicator of the quality.  If Festool does the necessary quality control, I think they can get equal tools out of China.  If they blindly leave it up the Chinese, I think there will be a fall-off.  They will have to inspect at a pretty significant rate to force the standards to remain high.  That will affect costs.  But if they really wanted the lowest cost, they would go to Vietnam or someplace like that.  China is not the lowest cost any more. 
 
I had to buy a new marking gauge today, went into our local big box store and browsed the isle passing a few plastic looking gauges until I saw a nice looking wooden one,
Made in England, Sheffield no less, you don't find this everyday and this is where my old chisels used to be made & was always a sign of quality,
I'm sure if I shopped around I could have found a cheaper one but it feels good to have a new English made hand tool in my kit, so I had to snap it up.
 
A complicating factor is the set of rules by which a company can claim that the product is made in country X. In Europe, I believe it has to do with where the majority of the cost of the product is incurred.

I have read that Rolex has some types of watch cases milled in China but does not have to mention that since most of the cost is incurred in Europe.

I have also seen a discussion about how Leica makes camera sub assemblies in Portugal but can claim made In Germany since the majority of the cost is incurred there.

Of course this could lead to a situation where the majority of parts in a product are made in a low cost country and only a small portion of the product is made in the country X where it is labeled Made in X.

 
sae said:
aptpupil said:
Been happy with my stuff but I do see a lot of complaining which is unsettling. Ts recall and lots kapex issues from what I've seen.
Planex needs lights!

Have you tried:

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Alex said:
Makita 10.8v drill + impact driver €199

Festool 10.8v drill €327 for the set version. I don't see the low cost. Nor do I see any "buffer products" in Festool's line-up.

The low-end buffer is in relation to the cost of Festool, not the competitors. In fact, that's the point. They want the consumer to be in the store thinking, "I've always wanted to own a Festool. This one is only $100 more. Maybe I'll make the jump."
 
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