Festool this - Strawberry Tower project

[Ken Nagrod]

Still working with the model. Thanks, Tim, for the Sketchup tips!

I wonder in the shelves are set at 38 degrees, which is a common crown molding spring angle. The way the shelves are dadoed into the upright, you have to cut a different miter than your saw's crown detents or marks on the scales would tell you, though.

I had been thinking about skipping the half laps in the base, but they're good for resisting the spreading forces.

I think I will skip the cutout in the cap piece and use some Sipo dominoes and glue to join the tops of the uprights.

If that's the case, the shelf would be 4 7/16" or 4.44" in width OR that would be the length of the dado.

 

[tiralie]

Still working with the model. Thanks, Tim, for the Sketchup tips!

I wonder in the shelves are set at 38 degrees, which is a common crown molding spring angle. The way the shelves are dadoed into the upright, you have to cut a different miter than your saw's crown detents or marks on the scales would tell you, though.

When I did my drawing I just tried to follow the photo as closely as possible so I never knew the angle. Because the upright is both tilted and turned the compound angle of the shelf is probably never going to relate to any crown detents.

I had been thinking about skipping the half laps in the base, but they're good for resisting the spreading forces.

When I built my model I thought the half laps were a good idea. I would keep them.

I think I will skip the cutout in the cap piece and use some Sipo dominoes and glue to join the tops of the uprights.

The cutout does seem to be a royal PIA, but I think it would do a better job of holding the uprights together. For the top cap I would probably use a 2x and cut a small peak 5 degrees or so into it so the water ran off, rather than sitting on top and eventually warping it rendering it totally useless.

If that's the case, the shelf would be 4 7/16" or 4.44" in width OR that would be the length of the dado.

The length of the dado (in my drawing) would be less than 3.5" as it tapers to a depth of 0" before the outside edge of the upright. You could probably use 1x3 (3/4"x 2 1/2) for the shelves as there is an 1" overhang on the back of the shelves. Other than an easy way to locate each shelves for assembly, I am not really sure what structural value those dadoes have.

 

[awdriven]

I wanted to say this would be a pain, but if you think about it - it's just two perpendicular rectangles that need to be routed out. Is the 'festool' way to do this with the MFS?

Mark the center of the workpiece, set up the MFS templates to appropriate size and route?

Ok, maybe you guilted me into it

I adjusted the shelves last night by widening them 1 inch at the short ends if the miters. This made them 'cut' into the uprights by a little more than a quarter inch. (Quarter inch tapered dado) I experimented with half an inch, but that looked excessive. What say the think tank, is that enough support?

This probably really belongs in the 'member projects' area now.

 

[spikfot]

This is a great project! I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of latitude, specifically- the choice between constructing a triangle or a quadrangle. Those of us in "the North" will understand. Next, I'm going to call my Aunt, down South in N.Cal for advice...The sweetest strawberries I've had..Thankyou, Joanne....

 

[awdriven]

I think when Ken spoke to the person who sells these, he said that this design makes it easy to remove a shelf if that's needed for any reason. I don't think there is any strength added by them, just ease of assembly and maintenance.

I'd think it would be easiest and cleanest to fill the planter by installing the shelves progressively as you fill it up. It would also be helpful if you ever had to empty the planter to move it. I could see a shelf getting damaged by someone elses's kids climbing on it. (Mine would never do that.  : )

 

[awdriven]

Tim, a tapered cap, like a fence post topper could look nice and also be really functional. Another time where it would be nice to have a band saw  [unsure]

 

[awdriven]

Some updated exports from the Sketchup Model -

On shows the whole project (with possible post cap) and the other shows the dadoed shelf setup. I still need to figure out a jig to efficiently and consistently route 88 tapered dadoes. Maybe just a tray that holds the stock at the proper angle and supports an plywood template above, that I can use a bearing-guided bit inside.

 

[tiralie]

I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of latitude, specifically- the choice between constructing a triangle or a quadrangle. Those of us in "the North" will understand.

Hu...triangle or quadrangle? I don't understand? Maybe 'cause I'm in the southern of Canada. [big grin]
Tim

 

[tiralie]

Tim, a tapered cap, like a fence post topper could look nice and also be really functional. Another time where it would be nice to have a band saw  [unsure]

You could probably use a table saw for this as long as the cut was 3" or less.

Some updated exports from the Sketchup Model -

Looks good!
Hopefully you didn't have to extend each shelf individually to get the right length...?

On shows the whole project (with possible post cap) and the other shows the dadoed shelf setup. I still need to figure out a jig to efficiently and consistently route 88 tapered dadoes. Maybe just a tray that holds the stock at the proper angle and supports an plywood template above, that I can use a bearing-guided bit inside.

I am not sure about a bearing guided bit, my preference would be a template guide and straight bit as there is more flexibility in cut depth.
I think the MFS would be perfect for making the template.
I am thinking you will also need a left and right hand jig for those dadoes, I don't think you can just turn the uprights and have the sloped dadoes oriented the right way.
If I get some time I will see if I can draw up a jig.
I think you can be fairly sure if you build one of these your relatives will want one as well.
Tim

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Tim,

I agree, this is probably a good use for the MFS, although I don't have one to lend K. and I don't believe he has one either, so this is another one of those great reasons to convince his wife he needs another tool - Festool for HER project.  [smile]

 

[tiralie]

I agree, this is probably a good use for the MFS, although I don't have one to lend K. and I don't believe he has one either, so this is another one of those great reasons to convince his wife he needs another tool - Festool for HER project.  [smile]

Ken:
I think he's half way there if it's for her, maybe she can buy it for him for fathers day.

It will be interesting to see if he can get some more requests for these...it wouldn't take that much more time to make 2-3 than one.
Tim

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I agree, this is probably a good use for the MFS, although I don't have one to lend K. and I don't believe he has one either, so this is another one of those great reasons to convince his wife he needs another tool - Festool for HER project.  [smile]

Ken:
I think he's half way there if it's for her, maybe she can buy it for him for fathers day.

It will be interesting to see if he can get some more requests for these...it wouldn't take that much more time to make 2-3 than one.
Tim

As long as it doesn't confilict with any design infringements that Bruce Post may have on this.

 

[tiralie]

I agree, this is probably a good use for the MFS, although I don't have one to lend K. and I don't believe he has one either, so this is another one of those great reasons to convince his wife he needs another tool - Festool for HER project.  [smile]

Ken:
I think he's half way there if it's for her, maybe she can buy it for him for fathers day.

It will be interesting to see if he can get some more requests for these...it wouldn't take that much more time to make 2-3 than one.
Tim

As long as it doesn't confilict with any design infringements that Bruce Post may have on this.

Ah, ya I think it might be an issue if he was starting a business but giving them away?
Tim

 

[awdriven]

Either way, I wouldn't want to harm the guy's business. He did some very nice work designing it and gives some good pre-sales information on his website that I wouldn't want to make him regret publishing. I think his price is fair given the complexity.

 

[awdriven]

If Tool Nut is on the ball, the MFS will be employed on the project  [smile]

I've been thinking about the leg jig for a while. I'll need to try it in sketchup, but it IS possible I may need to make two templates - have to see.

I've seen some scarfing jigs made for boat building that give me some ideas for that ramp shape to taper the dado. The ideal jig would be one that is either usable for both sides or easily changed to work for both sides. Building two complicated jigs would be no fun and increase the chances of them not matching exactly.

 

[tiralie]

If Tool Nut is on the ball, the MFS will be employed on the project  [smile]

I've been thinking about the leg jig for a while. I'll need to try it in sketchup, but it IS possible I may need to make two templates - have to see.

I've seen some scarfing jigs made for boat building that give me some ideas for that ramp shape to taper the dado. The ideal jig would be one that is either usable for both sides or easily changed to work for both sides. Building two complicated jigs would be no fun and increase the chances of them not matching exactly.

Also, check out Gary Katz's jig for a tapered and fluted newel post for some inspiration.
I guess we're way beyond that one day build on this project. [big grin]
Tim

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Tim,

Maybe this could be a collaborative effort.  You make some parts, someone else makes a bunch of another part and so on.  Then you all just ship to each other.  [wink]

 

[tiralie]

Tim,

Maybe this could be a collaborative effort.  You make some parts, someone else makes a bunch of another part and so on.  Then you all just ship to each other.  [wink]

It's a good idea.
Actually, if I was Bruce I would call Ken Kelly and get him to make these for me!
Tim

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Tim,

Maybe this could be a collaborative effort.  You make some parts, someone else makes a bunch of another part and so on.  Then you all just ship to each other.  [wink]

It's a good idea.
Actually, if I was Bruce I would call Ken and get him to make these for me!
Tim

[thumbs up] [doh]

 

[peter halle]

IKEA operates that way  [popcorn] [doh]