Festool youtube review - Please provide your thoughts

[rdr]

I like AVE. lots of tool guys get offended but it is entertaining and whilst he gets some of it wrong if you take the time to watch more of his stuff he often loops back and corrects his assertions. He has a lots of manufacturing and engineering knowhow but clearly doesn't know everything and often points this out. He slates things that he believes need it and gives praise where he thinks due which I like compared to sponsored type reviews. Overall I find it quiet entertaining and that's the main thing.

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[mrboult]

[member=65112]Yxoc[/member] So you've decided to import a Maffel at significantly higher costs than the Festool. . I assume you will therefore have no warranty on the Maffel, where the Festool would have had 3 years?

And all because of one video review from a non carpenter/user? Despite all the the overwhelmingly positive reviews and opinions also available on the Festool saws?

[eek] [eek] [eek]

 

[estley]

So just out of curiosity, does anyone know for a fact that the maffel doesn't have that bushing that's supposed to be ludicrous?

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[Yxoc]

MrB - You are correct! I reviewed a lot of information from a lot of sources. I weighted that information according to the strength of the logic or argument behind it. Then I paid my money and took my chances.

If purchase cost was the most important thing to anyone here, we wouldn't be on the Festool forum even talking.

Regards

Derek

 

[aloysius]

"I have had a good look at the HK85 in the shop, it looks very decent and the track system/accessories as you all already know, are great, but I could not convince myself that it was constructed to the standard I would expect for the money and I have put my money down for the Mafell KSS80. I feel it will be a notch higher but I will freely admit that, delivered to Australia, it has cost significantly more so you would expect so. It also has a couple of mm of extra cut depth (3.5 to be exact) which, while not a deal breaker, is very useful for my circumstances." 

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Congratulations!  I'm sure you've made a wise choice.  That particular company is well renowned for their saws, and the KSS80, whilst a heavy beast, is probably one of their best.  Mafell is regarded by many as the world's premiere construction tool manufacturer, their particular specialty being saws.  They share the same guiderail system with Bobbie Bosch:  whilst Festo/ol's rails are good too, they are agonisingly frustrating to join together with any semblance of straightness.  The Mafell/Bosch guiderails  align perfectly first time; simply, intuitively & automatically by contrast.  It must be expensive, 'though.  The best often is.

Just don't drop the bloody thing from the top plate of your latest construction job!  No saw would likely survive that sort of treatment.  It will be (at a cool grand or so) just too damned expensive to damage!

I look forward to your review.

 

[LJD]

"I have had a good look at the HK85 in the shop, it looks very decent and the track system/accessories as you all already know, are great, but I could not convince myself that it was constructed to the standard I would expect for the money and I have put my money down for the Mafell KSS80. I feel it will be a notch higher but I will freely admit that, delivered to Australia, it has cost significantly more so you would expect so. It also has a couple of mm of extra cut depth (3.5 to be exact) which, while not a deal breaker, is very useful for my circumstances." 

Quote from Yxoc.

Congratulations!  I'm sure you've made a wise choice.  That particular company is well renowned for their saws, and the KSS80, whilst a heavy beast, is probably one of their best.  Mafell is regarded by many as the world's premiere construction tool manufacturer, their particular specialty being saws.  They share the same guiderail system with Bobbie Bosch:  whilst Festo/ol's rails are good too, they are agonisingly frustrating to join together with any semblance of straightness.  The Mafell/Bosch guiderails  align perfectly first time; simply, intuitively & automatically by contrast.  It must be expensive, 'though.  The best often is.

Just don't drop the bloody thing from the top plate of your latest construction job!  No saw would likely survive that sort of treatment.  It will be (at a cool grand or so) just too damned expensive to damage!

I look forward to your review.

I also know many who refuse to use festool tracks due to how madly they join . The Bosch ones are far far superior . The makita ones also work better with  a Festool plunge

 

[yetihunter]

A track saw was very low on my personal list of "needs". 
I did, however, plan to someday buy the Mafell because it's so bada..erm...neato looking.
I like the AVE videos.  They're entertaining.  After the AVE video about the TS55,
I finally went ahead and bought a TS55, just because.   

It cuts sheet goods just fine.

 

[Holmz]

So just out of curiosity, does anyone know for a fact that the maffel doesn't have that bushing that's supposed to be ludicrous?

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I dunno, but I hate to fix it when it isn' broken... So I am reticent to pull it apart.
It does feel solid, but feelings are often not a great indicator.

 

[#Tee]

I got the ts55 about 3 years ago, its my most used tool in the shop. Ive cut , foam boards, ply, soft hard woods, sheet metal, alum and carbon fiber on the same blade even. it took a beating and performs just as new.

 

[slimm]

I never ever trust any of the "Paid for" Festool reviews .Far too many seem to be the type that would use festool toilet paper if they got paid . No Matter how good they are .I expect to see a real Pro pick tools that do the best job rather than  a "one brand work shop" .
Its obvious what are the top festool items are .And I agree with a few and own them.  . But the rest .....!

the name dave stanton comes to mind. I feel his videos do more harm than good, theu give potential customers unreasonable expectations of the tools resulting in them bieng dissapointed and the. returning the tools

 

[peter halle]

I never ever trust any of the "Paid for" Festool reviews .Far too many seem to be the type that would use festool toilet paper if they got paid . No Matter how good they are .I expect to see a real Pro pick tools that do the best job rather than  a "one brand work shop" .
Its obvious what are the top festool items are .And I agree with a few and own them.  . But the rest .....!

the name dave stanton comes to mind. I feel his videos do more harm than good, theu give potential customers unreasonable expectations of the tools resulting in them bieng dissapointed and the. returning the tools

That is quite a strong opinion.  I am not aware of any "Paid For" individuals here.  Does Festool sometimes send out tools to individuals to test?  Yes.  But usually they have to return the tools afterward.  If a poster does a review and the tool or other consideration is granted to them for that review we do try to ensure that that disclosure is made in the posts or in the video.

Peter

 

[Holmz]

To be fair he said, "I feel", so it is his perception... Rather than a statement of fact.

I cannot fault him for having his feelings or sharing them.
It is entirely possible that the feedback could also be taken in a constructive manner, so it does not seem like it is overly negative.

 

[slimm]

im not hating on the guy he seems  quite a personable chap and i enjoy his videos. Its just tedious when  paid festool reviewers give a biased review only listing positive points and no negeatave ones.  im all about honesty and saying it how it is.

 

[#Tee]

just take the vids for what it is, just dont believe any of it and go buy the tool yourself and try for 30 days.

 

[Holmz]

just take the vids for what it is, just dont believe any of it and go buy the tool yourself and try for 30 days.

"Don't believe any of it" can apply equally to the positive and negative.
I like AVE's videos in general, and he is not paid to do tear downs. If he us showing a plain bearing it is likely that is factual.

 

[slimm]

your missing my point entirely. My issue is that festool are clearly sorting out certain imdividuals to make marketing videos which I dont feel are entyrly honest, as a result I feel tjat they are then giving potential buyers of said tools unrealistinc expectations of the said tools.  I think that these videos can do more harm than good.

 

[grobkuschelig]

...My issue is that festool are clearly sorting out certain imdividuals to make marketing videos which I dont feel are entyrly honest...

What about Marketing in our world is "entirely honest"?
I don't mean to tease you, but I think today, we all have to be aware of the way that things are marketed to us. And I don't expect festool to act any different than the other companies, since they too have to make a living and need to sell.
If they would tell you, "we use cheap parts here and there to help our margins and there are also good tools from these other vendors out there..." they would be failing their job. [dead horse]

In my opinion it all comes down to the customer, as it always has. If we as customers are not well informed, we can be blinded by any feature or tagline.
To me, every tool is a compromise. I know there are lots of other vendors out there making good tools. I'm choosing festool as my option quite often, since I am "locked in" to their system. But this system is also one of the biggest points, why I went for them in the first place.
*rant off*

If you just need a track saw, there are plenty of options to choose from for less or more money.
If you want something that works with the superb festool tracks, the MFT and all the nice accessories, then you might find value in the TS series...  [2cents]

 

[#Tee]

like i said, if you feel youre on the defense about their marketing then just stop watching festool review vids.  protect yourself and assume ALL vids online are fake and go buy one and experience yourself. its a win win for you.

 

[Holmz]

your missing my point entirely...

I got it.

 

[junk731]

The video in question was done by Ave the entertainer and is quite funny, anyone watching them and think they have any valid points about tool construction needs to take another big drink or long huff and take them for what they are, entertainment. The quality of any given tool is not determined by a meathead evaluation but in the long term use by the people in the industry. You don't read about many TS saw failure complaints especially any relating to bushing failures or plastic melting due to improper design. The biggest joke in the video is his inability to understand the situations where a bushing is used vs a bearing, let alone the quality of modern day bushings. If the gentleman in question wants to move up the from entertainer to someone with actual credibility lets see the teardown/test evaluations on the other tracksaws from Dewalt, Makita, Bosch, Fox, Grizzly and oh yes Mafell. If you pick any tool based solely on entertainment videos you have to give your head a serious shake.

John