FestoolRecon.com coming VERY soon (US)

I'm always afraid when Lebanon shows up on my phone but I got a call from Festool and they're shipping me out some rotex housing parts for me to swap out.  I'm happy with that and they were nice.
Normally I wouldnt complain about scuffs and scratches but I'm happy I mentioned something this time.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Sounds like a refurbed Domino 700. I missed it twice now.
Can't sit in front of the computer forever and I don't get notifications of Promotions on my phone...

Welcome to the right field bleacher seats Michael...I don't get notifications consistently either. Haven't received them in days. [mad]

I just happened to pass by the computer at the right moment and decided to hit refresh. The DF 700 popped up! Strictly a stroke of luck...nothing more...nothing less. [crying]
 
[member=57769]TylerC[/member] It would help if instead of a stock photo you posted an actual item. Then buyers could at least judge its conditions from overall appearance. For example, router base or saw shoe tells a lot about tool's mileage.
 
[member=15585]Svar[/member] - Thank you for the suggestion. I understand the uncertainty of buying something and not knowing if it will look brand new or will have some blemishes.

The issue is that they'll all be slightly different. If sell 10 sanders, each will be in a slightly different condition.

Someone earlier had suggested an idea where the photo would change each time one of them sold so that you would see the exact tool that you would buy. That's a really cool idea, but it would complicate the entire process and leave a lot of room for error. (Especially for the tools that sold out in less than 10 minutes.) While it's feasible, this isn't our primary business, so need something that doesn't put too many strains on primary business. That's part of the reason for the one-tool-at-a-time approach.
 
Hello all
You know I’ve been reading this thread from the start and have been trying to possibly buy a tool or two but can’t seem to get an email regularly.  I got one on Monday I believe.  The only way I know a tool was offered is when I see it posted as being sold out. 

Thanks Tyler for trying to fix it a few weeks ago but to no avail it’s sporadic at best.  Finally I went on the Recon site today and seen a CT 26 was still offered.  This evening I see there was a sustainer offered.  It’s not going to make a difference in my life if I don’t get to buy one of the items I might be considering but I’d like to get an opportunity. 

Maybe I’m just curious about what is up for sale.  I just find it odd how the distribution email list works why some get every email an others get some or none.  It seems like when a NEW Tool or product is offered I get  those emails. 

 
I went from all emails to only one per day. Then I set up a second account using another email address and got every email to both accounts for the last week or so.

The last 2 days I have only received emails to the "new" account.

Go figure.............
 
TylerC said:
[member=15585]Svar[/member] - Thank you for the suggestion. I understand the uncertainty of buying something and not knowing if it will look brand new or will have some blemishes.

The issue is that they'll all be slightly different. If sell 10 sanders, each will be in a slightly different condition.

Someone earlier had suggested an idea where the photo would change each time one of them sold so that you would see the exact tool that you would buy. That's a really cool idea, but it would complicate the entire process and leave a lot of room for error. (Especially for the tools that sold out in less than 10 minutes.) While it's feasible, this isn't our primary business, so need something that doesn't put too many strains on primary business. That's part of the reason for the one-tool-at-a-time approach.

Tyler,
You're point that each will be slightly different is exactly the reason to sell them individually.  Does it really matter if 6 tools sell out in 10 minutes or 10 hours?  How would slowing down the rate of sales of used tools detract from Festool's primary responsibility of selling new tools?  What is the purpose of making it go quickly?  Don't answer.

Doesn't your statement of 'one-tool-at-a-time' approach seem at all in odds against the 'blast them out in a group' approach you've taken? Yes, you can argue that all of the same model tools are sold in a group to make it more efficient, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that you've had multiple listings of the same tools within weeks?  Do you really expect everyone to believe that after the initial sale of Kapex,as an example, that you've suddenly gotten so many more available Kapex saws since the first sale, that you've needed a second sale before most of your other offerings have come up even once? Does this seem at all to fly in the face of Festool's implied lack of response that their is no higher rate of failure?

 
[member=560]James Biddle[/member] - We normally don't get into these sort of public discussions about our sales and marketing tactics, but I'm curious about how you envision that it would work to sell one item at a time? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your idea, but how would that work from a customer perspective?

"Yes, you can argue that all of the same model tools are sold in a group to make it more efficient, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that you've had multiple listings of the same tools within weeks?"

I really don't see the issue here. We have a limit on the number of units that will become available each day. We don't sell more than that, because we want to make sure that we can properly fulfill those days orders without detracting from our primary business. If the number of recon tools available for a specific product is greater than the daily limit, we won't fully sell out of that tool. We've initially set the daily limit fairly low to make sure that things get launched and fulfilled properly. It will increase over time.
 
I think it's set-up great!  The unpredictability adds excitement and the roll-out of one or two items a day prolongs the fun!
 
TylerC said:
[member=560]James Biddle[/member] - We normally don't get into these sort of public discussions about our sales and marketing tactics, but I'm curious about how you envision that it would work to sell one item at a time? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your idea, but how would that work from a customer perspective?

"Yes, you can argue that all of the same model tools are sold in a group to make it more efficient, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that you've had multiple listings of the same tools within weeks?"

I really don't see the issue here. We have a limit on the number of units that will become available each day. We don't sell more than that, because we want to make sure that we can properly fulfill those days orders without detracting from our primary business. If the number of recon tools available for a specific product is greater than the daily limit, we won't fully sell out of that tool. We've initially set the daily limit fairly low to make sure that things get launched and fulfilled properly. It will increase over time.

Tyler, great question!

Let's set up a page of all of the particular tools you have of a particular model you want to sell that day/week (doesn't matter) along with the previous tools that haven't sold.  The only difference is you give each tool a particular number, so one tool can be differentiated with another. Easier to explain by example. 

You set up the site to email to the subscribers every time a new tool is introduced, like today.  The thing is, they not only see the new tools, individually, but they also see any remaining tools, at an additional discount.

You have 4 RO90's for sale.  The repair/refurbishment team, does their work and a pic or two of each is taken after the work is done.  The sanders get put on a shelf with an individual number and pics the repair team takes.  You post all of the available RO90's, by individual number, with their price and their pics.

Now, the transaction is transparent. People buy the best 2 of the 4 RO90's immediately after seeing the pics.  These are the people looking for the pristine tools. Then the 2 other RO90's can be carried forward to the next tool model sales or additional discounts can be offered at whatever time period the company decides. It doesn't matter if they sell right away, because you can periodically discount them until they do.  It creates the separation between those that want a newer tool at a slight discount, and those that love to skim the best deals off the bottom.  As you gradually lower the price, different consumers will become interested, knowing that their are fewer and fewer tools heading to the bottom of your desired price, further enticing the low cost buyers to move.

The model is Festool's and is internal.  Also, warranties can now be adjusted per tool rather then by rote.  It gives Festool a lot of flexibility to adjust the price and warranty dynamically according to your internal decisions.

Everyone that buys has a success story,  "I bought this prefect tool for X% under new","I bought this tools way below new price just before someone else got it", "I bought this tool at rock bottom and everyone else paid too much".

You will still have complaints form individuals, but will have so much more support.

Anyway that's my idea,
James
 
Only one person received a tool that wasn’t in good to new condition and Festool took care of the problem.  Recon sales have changed over the years,  some things good, others bad. The last one you had to call a dealer when the tools hit the website and the dealers placed the orders,  there were no pictures added but the tool discount was 10-40% off.  There’s been a lot of hate with the Recon sale.  I’m happy with the tool I purchased and so are others.  Festool doesn’t have to offer a recon sale at all.  If your not happy with the process or the tools just buy them new at retail price.  We need to turn FoG into a positive place not a Festool Witch Hunt!!! 
 
Picked up a DF700 last week and was hoping it would be in mint condition. Showed up a few days ago in mint condition. I'm satisfied enough to buy again. Thanks Festool.
 
I love James idea - on the surface. It does sound like it could be a lot more work for Festool though. An idea like this seems to be in-between the current offering and the auction approach some have suggested. A listing for each tool would also take more computer programming, but would allow stale items to stay available even as others are introduced. An "original list date" could also allow buyers to anticipate further price reductions for the stale items, as well as allowing Festool to adjust the terms for each item.

The approach taken this year has had it's flaws, but it has made the tools available to more people than before. I have bought two items, and was never able to participate in a recon sale before now. Been frustrated about parts of the process, but overall it's a better one.

Tyler - just think I need to state publicly that you have done a tremendous job of navigating and handling all of the "input" from myself and all the other users regarding this sale. We do appreciate you and all the others involved who are trying to do something new.
 
How about a page the way it was before, a list of tools and their % discounts based on condition.
The old system didn't have quantities, just something that said "very low quantity".

The only difference is we don't have to go through a dealer to buy them.
No individual pictures, no exact quantities, this seems pretty reasonable to me.

 
I too liked the way the prior recon sales included a general condition description with proportional discount.

Like new 10% off.
Slightly used 20% off.
Used 30% off.

I bought a few tools at 30% off and was more than happy with the condition (way better than the RO 150 ScoFF received).
 
SouthRider said:
I love James idea - on the surface. It does sound like it could be a lot more work for Festool though. An idea like this seems to be in-between the current offering and the auction approach some have suggested. A listing for each tool would also take more computer programming, but would allow stale items to stay available even as others are introduced. An "original list date" could also allow buyers to anticipate further price reductions for the stale items, as well as allowing Festool to adjust the terms for each item.

The approach taken this year has had it's flaws, but it has made the tools available to more people than before. I have bought two items, and was never able to participate in a recon sale before now. Been frustrated about parts of the process, but overall it's a better one.

Tyler - just think I need to state publicly that you have done a tremendous job of navigating and handling all of the "input" from myself and all the other users regarding this sale. We do appreciate you and all the others involved who are trying to do something new.

+1 on the job Tyler’s doing.  He does a great job, as do all the moderators, at staying above the fray.
 
Michael Kellough said:
I too liked the way the prior recon sales included a general condition description with proportional discount.

I bought a few tools at 30% off and was more than happy with the condition (way better than the RO 150 ScoFF received).

Ya, the old method was fine with me too...just choose the tools, contact your dealer and wait for the return call to find out what you scored. 

It was over within 2-4 hours...finished...back to work.

I purchased a LS 130 and a MIDI vac at 40% off and they also looked to be in as-new condition.  [cool]
 
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