Finishing furniture help

[Scott B.]

I will not be cruel and post up my antique cherry stained, kremlin sprayed and 8k grit rotex polished cherry cabinet door sample...not gonna do it!  ;D

 

[peter halle]

I will not be cruel and post up my antique cherry stained, kremlin sprayed and 8k grit rotex polished cherry cabinet door sample...not gonna do it!  ;D

Aw, go ahead Scott!  [poke] 

[popcorn] [popcorn]

Peter

 

[Scott B.]

I will not be cruel and post up my antique cherry stained, kremlin sprayed and 8k grit rotex polished cherry cabinet door sample...not gonna do it!  ;D

Aw, go ahead Scott!   [poke] 

[popcorn] [popcorn]

Peter

Probably should save it for the "Polishing clear coated dye stain?" thread !

 

[tjbnwi]

Scott,

I've probably seen them all, still prefer a natural cherry.

Tom

 

[Scott B.]

Scott,

I've probably seen them all, still prefer a natural cherry.

Tom

There seems to be precious little that you have not seen. That must be a bummer.

[smile]

(I am joking)

 

[peter halle]

Scott,

From the deep archives of the FOG (2008)  check out replies 29 and 30.  http://festoolownersgroup.com/finishing/magic/

This process is certainly a try at your own risk.  Some people have had success, some have not.  I have.  This is not suitable for where the end products might be ingested by humans or pets.

Peter

 

[Scott B.]

Scott,

From the deep archives of the FOG (2008)  check out replies 29 and 30.  http://festoolownersgroup.com/finishing/magic/

This process is certainly a try at your own risk.  Some people have had success, some have not.  I have.  This is not suitable for where the end products might be ingested by humans or pets.

Peter

[scared]

 

[tjbnwi]

Scott,

I've probably seen them all, still prefer a natural cherry.

Tom

There seems to be precious little that you have not seen. That must be a bummer.

[smile]

(I am joking)

It may have been yours I've seen, if you ever showed it in your blog/review.

Never a bummer to see and learn things, the bummer is when one quits doing so. Biggest problem is finding them in a cluttered memory (must be old age setting in).

Tom

 

[Scott B.]

Scott,

I've probably seen them all, still prefer a natural cherry.

Tom

There seems to be precious little that you have not seen. That must be a bummer.

[smile]

(I am joking)

It may have been yours I've seen, if you ever showed it in your blog/review.

Never a bummer to see and learn things, the bummer is when one quits doing so. Biggest problem is finding them in a cluttered memory (must be old age setting in).

Tom

I have the same problem, Tom. Get's worse everyday. Fortunately, my 6 yr old boy keeps me sharp.

 

[tjbnwi]

Some dye and natural cherry, I much prefer the natural.

I might have children older than you, add 29 years, 25 years and 19 years to your sons age and you'll get the age of my daughter, son, daughter.

Tom

 

[tiralie]

I much prefer the natural.

[thumbs up] Same here. The grain and figure is so nice in Cherry I don't know why you want to obscure it with color when another species stained, would look as good.

I might have children older than you, add 29 years, 25 years and 19 years to your sons age and you'll get the age of my daughter, son, daughter.

Damn, Tom you're old! [wink]
Tim

 

[Scott B.]

Made my day Tom! I feel younger already.

 

[Bhend18]

I've used the blotch control product offered by Charles Neil and it worked well.  It is, however, a four step process - apply,sand, apply, sand.  On larger projects I found it to be impractical.  I just started spraying Target's sanding sealer (not diluted) and have been pleased with the results.  This last project was with alder and it will blotch just as bad as cherry.  The sealer performed well on both the ply and solid stock.  I lightly sanded with 360 and then wiped on SW bag stain.
I'll certainly defer to Scott in all things related to finishing.  Whatever you do you need to make samples following the exact process you will be using for the actual project.

When push comes to shove, you do whatever you can get to work!  [huh]

You raise a good point, and this is where things start to go more advanced...and its funny because I have explained this to alot of people and its either a lightbulb eureka moment, or they kind of glaze over.

The use of sanding sealer...can be either under your stain or over it (or both), depending on the situation. For the purposes of this discussion, where blotch control in cherry is a concern, we can't put it under, or if we do, we can't use dye stain anymore (dye doesnt go that way). So we would have to change stains.

But yes, I was taught this technique by one of my cabinet finish mentors, a local guru in fact, and he calls it "overstaining". There are a couple of different clears that work really well as that base coat.

So, in your opinion, would it be better to use sanding sealer first and then use a different stain or use a conditioner and the dye stain? From this point forward I will be using cherry.

Not a fan of conditioner at all. I would not do that. Its kind of diy, imo.

I would like to see the details of the piece. That is a good way to choose product and process.

Do you have a picture of a similar piece, or actual plans?

Options for application of stain and clear are going to end up being some combo of wiping, spraying, brushing. Sometimes looking at the details eliminates something.

I haven't purchased the wood, but I do have plans. I only have experience with wiping or brushing stain. I have only run paint through my HVLP.

 

[Bhend18]

I much prefer the natural.

[thumbs up] Same here. The grain and figure is so nice in Cherry I don't know why you want to obscure it with color when another species stained, would look as good.

I might have children older than you, add 29 years, 25 years and 19 years to your sons age and you'll get the age of my daughter, son, daughter.

darn, Tom you're old! [wink]
Tim

When it comes to the cherry I was just following previous advice. I'm not opposed to another species that has subtle grain. I don't want the deep grain look of red oak. I do want a dark color and I'm a not very advanced when it comes to staining.

 

[tjbnwi]

I'm only as old as I feel, and some days that's pretty old. My oldest was born when I was still a teenager. I'm amazed my wife has stuck it out this long.

There is the option of poplar if you want dark, it can emulate cherry and is a little less expensive. I like quarter sawn white oak also. Totally different look than the red oak you are use to seeing.

Tom