First Aid systainer

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I vote for red Systainer  with white handle and white latch. Add symbology at your own risk.

Seth

 

[jonny round boy]

That first aid systainer (issued by Festool?) with red latches with white cross on it technically breaks the Geneva convention  [eek] !

No, it doesn't. If it were a red cross on a white background it would, but a white cross on a red background is fine (though technically it does fall foul of the '1931 Federal Act for the protection of public coats of arms and other public insignia', which prohibits the use of the Swiss flag on merchandise).

 

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That first aid systainer (issued by Festool?) with red latches with white cross on it technically breaks the Geneva convention  [eek] !

No, it doesn't. If it were a red cross on a white background it would, but a white cross on a red background is fine (though technically it does fall foul of the '1931 Federal Act for the protection of public coats of arms and other public insignia', which prohibits the use of the Swiss flag on merchandise).

And maybe the little white square around it makes a difference?

Seth

 

[festfrench]

Frank,

I'd be interested in one as well.

Thanks,
YVES

 

[Timtool]

That first aid systainer (issued by Festool?) with red latches with white cross on it technically breaks the Geneva convention  [eek] !

No, it doesn't. If it were a red cross on a white background it would, but a white cross on a red background is fine (though technically it does fall foul of the '1931 Federal Act for the protection of public coats of arms and other public insignia', which prohibits the use of the Swiss flag on merchandise).

According to the wikipedia article a white cross on red background is still not allowed, probably because it it basically their emblem with inverted colors.
And even then , a white cross on red background would be the Swiss flag and

Swiss law forbids using the Swiss cross or flag on any product for commercial purposes,"

"This applies both to foreigners and to Swiss people"

Though it's hardly enforced, and in some cases allowed if the product is at least 50% made in Switzerland.

 

[P2P]

Even though I already have the non T-Loc first aid Systainer kit, I'd still buy a new T-Loc version, even if it is just the Systainer itself.

 

[rljatl]

Whatever happened to this?  I am in for one if it ever becomes available.

 

[Bhend18]

+1  let's get this going

 

[dbworkshop]

I have the original, but I'm in for another. Let's get this thing back on track.

 

[johninthecamper]

a couple months ago I was told that the part # is valid and still shipping from Indiana,no plan to disco

 

[wow]

In my spare time I am an EMT, and used to work with a local college training EMT's. If somebody comes up with the systainer I could put together a kit of useful/necessary medical items at a good price for our USA members.

Just another thought to add to the confusion...

 

[Fredrick]

Dorch&Danola, a danish dealer sells this Mini Systainer. Its fairly cheap aswell (bout 50$). http://dorchdanola-netbutik.dk/product/festool-forbindingskasse-100346-i-systainer-14641/

 

[lawhoo]

I would definitely buy a T-Loc version, green or red, but I would prefer red (latch or systainer) so it would stand out.  T-Loc is definitely better than classic for a first aid kit, of all things.  Not wanting to be too graphic, but who wants to be struggling to open a classic systainer when there's blood spurting?

 

[Crox G]

To "wow":  Could you give us a list of what you would recommend for the kit? Could we fit what we need in a Mini-Sys, or would we need a Sys-1 to do a proper job?

Crox  (another law-Hoo)

 

[wow]

To "wow":  Could you give us a list of what you would recommend for the kit? Could we fit what we need in a Mini-Sys, or would we need a Sys-1 to do a proper job?

Crox  (another law-Hoo)

Crox:

First, I don't own a Mini-Systainer. In fact, I've never actually seen one!

That aside, different people have different needs. I several different kits - one for my briefcase when I travel, one for my shop, one in the house, and in my truck I carry a full Trauma Bag including oxygen and a Pulse/Oximeter. My daughter (who is also an EMT) and I were first on the scene of an accident a couple years ago. When the first officer arrived on the scene several minutes later he said it looked like an ER had exploded!



But I could make a reasonable kit for the 'common' injuries in a pretty small space - I suspect a mini systainer isn't any smaller than my briefcase kit. You may only have 10 or 12 bandaids, so you'd need to restock more often.

Here are some things I'd recommend for a minimal kit:

2 - Single Edged Razor Blades
1 - Splinter Out
3 - Povidone Iodine Prep Pad
1 - 5x9 Trauma Dressing
Band aids. Different sizes. I have:
            5 - 3/4" Bandaid
            2 - 1" Bandaid
            1 - Extra Large Bandaid
            2 - Fingertip Bandage
            2 - Knuckle Bandage
2 - 3x3 Sterile Pad
2 - 4x4 Sterile Pad
6 - Medium Alcohol Prep Pad
3 - Triple Antibiotic Ointment
2 - Pair Nitrile gloves
1 - Instant Cold Pack
1 - 1" Transpore Clear First Aid Tape
1 - Roll 3" x 75" Kling/Kerlix Stretch Bandage

If I was filling a Sys1 I could easily put $200 worth of 'goodies' in it. For a larger kit I'd add more of the above things, plus:

1 - QuickClot ACS 15g - only weighs 6 oz. and might save a life!
1 - Triangular Bandage
3 - PDI Nail Polish Remover (Acetone Wipes)
1 - 10 Hour Heat Patch
1 - 8 Hour Heat Wrap - Neck/Arm
1 - Instant Cold Pack
3 - Rolls 4" x 75" Kling/Kerlix Stretch Bandage
1 - Moleskin Bandage
1 - SAM splint

...and that's just off the top of my head. 

Comments, suggestions, and questions are all welcome!

 

[Bhend18]

I would like the Sys-I version. I don't own any mini's and would like for it to connect with my other systainers.

 

[wow]

Bottle of eye wash.

Actually in the Sys 1 I would include a bottle of sterile saline. Good for eye wash, wound irrigation, and half a dozen other uses. Good catch and great comment!

 

[gkaiseril]

You might want to include a booklet about first aid.

I would add a Lister Bandage scissors or similar scissors so one can safely cut off clothing.

Also be aware that use of any ointment on a wound that will be later treated by a qualified medical partitioner  may need to be cleaned out, so its use is not always appropriate.

I would also add a compression bandage or constrictor bandage for server bleeding or when a limb has been amputated.

 

[wow]

You might want to include a booklet about first aid.

I would add a Lister Bandage scissors or similar scissors so one can safely cut off clothing.

Also be aware that use of any ointment on a wound that will be later treated by a qualified medical partitioner  may need to be cleaned out, so its use is not always appropriate.

I would also add a compression bandage or constrictor bandage for server bleeding or when a limb has been amputated.

gkaiseril:

Good points. The triangular bandage can be used as a tourniquet, and in combination with quick-clot is a great treatment for severe bleeding. The trauma pad listed above will cover a LARGE wound and help control bleeding. And yes, I would include a pair of trauma shears in a Sys 1 kit. I have them in every one of my kits except the 'briefcase' kit.

Like I said earlier, the list above was off the top of my head and only what I could think of as I was typing. It wasn't meant to be a complete or final list, so your suggestions and others help to make sure I don't miss anything.

Is there enough interest here that I should put together a 'prototype' Sys 1 First Aid kit?

If only 2 or 3 people are interested I couldn't buy enough supplies to get them at a good price, but if a dozen or more folks have an interest that's another story. I'm not asking for a down payment or anything - just a general gauge of interest.

 

[Bhend18]

I would be interested but would we still need someone to put together the red and white systainer?