FOG not working properly with Ipad

fidelfs

fidelfs

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???  I like to use my Ipad to read FOG, but sometimes pictures and videos don't show.  It is just a big empty place instead of the pict/video.

Not all the pictures/videos
 
Lack of Adobe Flash Player the problem?  I heard Steve Jobs is having a change of heart and it'll be included in a future update.
 
Sometimes the video preview pictures will not show.  If you tap on the words under the blank space it will usually open up the video and play.

Peter
 
Ken Nagrod said:
Lack of Adobe Flash Player the problem?  I heard Steve Jobs is having a change of heart and it'll be included in a future update.
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I was going to buy an ipad when they came out but due to that restriction I did not.  Glad to hear they have changed their mind.  I'll get one once that limitation is removed. There is just too much content out there in flash.  Secondly, I never really liked the whole idea of them trying to exclude some like the personal battle with adobe. 
 
fidelfs said:
Going back to my original subject.  I think is the FOG because I am able to watch the video outside the forum.
for example the Something amusing to do with the domino post, the video does not show, but I am able to watch the video outside FOG.

??? ???
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Are you able to watch videos on YouTube on your iPad? There's nothing "special" about the way that the forum handles videos. They are just embedded YouTube videos.  If videos play on YouTube, they should play here as well.

As was mentioned earlier, it's my understanding that Apple had prohibited developers from using Flash and that their devices did not support Flash. YouTube uses Flash Video.

PS - If someone wants to donate a iPad to the cause, I'll troubleshoot it from this side. [big grin]
 
Shane Holland said:
fidelfs said:
Going back to my original subject.  I think is the FOG because I am able to watch the video outside the forum.
for example the Something amusing to do with the domino post, the video does not show, but I am able to watch the video outside FOG.

??? ???
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Are you able to watch videos on YouTube on your iPad? There's nothing "special" about the way that the forum handles videos. They are just embedded YouTube videos.  If videos play on YouTube, they should play here as well.

As was mentioned earlier, it's my understanding that Apple had prohibited developers from using Flash and that their devices did not support Flash. YouTube uses Flash Video.

PS - If someone wants to donate a iPad to the cause, I'll troubleshoot it from this side. [big grin]
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Shane,

A new special project for you.

[size=14pt]FOG[/size]iPad
 
Just F.Y.I.
It’s not just Apple, the web at large has been moving away from proprietary technologies like Flash in favor of web standards like HTML5. Even the Flash-built Vimeo and YouTube are prepping to abandon Adobe’s technology – YouTube is currently beta testing a HTML5 video player that bypasses the Flash plugin entirely (and Vimeo, too).

Looking at the bigger picture, content wants to be free. Video and audio content encoded using proprietary codes should have no business on the open web. Those technologies have been stalling innovation for years. With HTML5-compliant browsers like Chrome, Safari, and Firefox now in full view, those QuickTime trailers, Flash videos, and Windows Media clips found online will be replaced with the content injected into web pages using and HTML5 tags. With that in mind, the fact that the iPad doesn’t support Flash shouldn’t mean the end of the world. Make sense?
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My idea is that the Forums being in the web should be device independent.  Meaning should work the same for any device used to watch the content.  What is different is that some youtubes are just blanks and some I might see the URL link to Youtube.  If i use my laptop I see the video not the URL.  ??? ???
 
I assume that's a quote from a response you received from Apple. This has nothing to do with web standards. It has to do with the fact that iPad/iPhone devices do not support Flash because Apple considers Adobe a competitor. This is very well documented in the news and media.

Don't expect to see HTML5 in widespread use for a while. There are still far too many people using old browser versions that do not support HTML5. It's wishful thinking to believe that Flash Video is going away any time soon.

With any luck, Apple will release an update to their devices supporting Flash sooner rather than later.
 
By the way, Apple is hoping that HTML5 will widely adopt H.264 encoding for use in tags. Why? Well, because Apple is a partial owner of patents for that type of encoding and gets royalties.
 
This is funny, I feel like I am a festool fan trying to convince a non Festool user to use festool instead of lower quality tools. (replace festool by apple).

No, my intention is not try to sell HTML5, and that was not a response from APPLE. 
I am able to watch youtube in my ipad, iphone and itouch, I am able to watch youtube, pictures in other websites, not FOG.  The same picture, video that I am not able to see in fog/ipad, I am able to watch the same just in Safari/ipad or youtube/ipad.

As far I am concern, pictures are not flash code, and I am not able to see SOME pictures ??????
You don't like apple, that's fine, but the only thing I am trying to do is address the fact that it does not work properly on those devices and if the FOG requires a tweak to make it work (not extensive work) it should be done. 

In the other hand, if something might be tweak to make it work, I think it will be good for others, that are using those devices.

In simple words, it is not flash problem, it is something else.  It works outside of FOG using the ipad.

Fidel
 
fidelfs said:
I am able to watch youtube in my ipad, iphone and itouch, I am able to watch youtube, pictures in other websites, not FOG.  The same picture, video that I am not able to see in fog/ipad, I am able to watch the same just in Safari/ipad or youtube/ipad.

In simple words, it is not flash problem, it is something else.  It works outside of FOG using the ipad.
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Fidel, that is indeed what I was looking for. Not having an iPad, I have to rely on you or others to tell me about the problem. It has nothing to do with a dislike of Apple. I didn't develop the forum software. However, I have (on many occasions) done my best to fix problems that have been brought to my attention by members.

Now that I have more comprehensive information, I will see if I can find a solution to the problem.  Again, it may be difficult since I don't have an iPad to replicate the problem myself.

Can you provide a link to a thread where you can not see images as well, please?
 
For what its worth, it is the same issue on the iPhone.  You can't see embedded video, but if you click the link, it opens up the YouTube app and you can watch it.  I think it is something to do with how the YouTube videos get displayed online vs through Apple's proprietary app.
 
Dane:

If you pick this link, a Kapex flash video should play automatically. If it doesn't, you have likely hit on the nature of the problem.

Tom
 
There was a new version of the add-on module for the forum that is used to automatically embed videos. I have downloaded and installed it. Does someone who has been experiencing problems want to test and let me know if it is still an issue?
 
Tom Bellemare said:
Dane:

If you pick this link, a Kapex flash video should play automatically. If it doesn't, you have likely hit on the nature of the problem.

Tom
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Tom,
That is not the case, that is pure flash code.  What I am talking is the iOS (operating system for iphone/ipod/ipad) when finds youtube, it opens a youtube session outside of the browser.  That is expected, BAU (Business as usual).

What I am experiencing is a blank space for some videos and pictures, I cannot click on it and sometimes I can see the url.  I am trying to find samples to post for cases when it works and when does not.

Fidel
 
Shanne,

I am able to see the youtube.  Thanks so much.

About the pictures, I found an old posting explaining some old pictures were removed by the system or the previous admin.

I think that is the problem with the picture.

Thanks again.

Fidel
 
Apple won't allow iPad browsers to run flash (which pisses me off as a longtime flash developer) and it seems like they probably never will. What they've relented on is now developers can use a special feature of the flash authoring tool to compile native iOS apps that get sold in the App Store. Previously Apple said they would kick those apps out of the store. Apple is just settling into their role as the new Microsoft and it won't be too long until this sort of thing starts to really hurt them. At that point they'll 'relent to consumer pressure' in some easy to perceive but materially insignificant way and the cycle will repeat. Sadly, it is a corporation that seems to be on the path to become very evil.
 
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