Frameless cabinets, Euro hinge doors with side mounted drawer slides

bholmsten

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I want to build some fameless cabinets that have doors on the front using the LR32 for eurohinges. I want the cabinets to have pull out drawers but the drawers would hit the hinges that stick out around 13/16".  I know there are systems for face frame cabinets that attach to the frame and then a holder in the back.  Is there an adapter that will hold the drawer side out away from the cabinet far enough to clear the hinges?  I assume you could use wood spacers? 
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Just make big drawers with drawer fronts.  Why force the user to open a door to open a drawer?  Everywhere we're seeing more an more base cabinets with three and four drawers and no doors.  Besides being practical it's becoming the fashion.

But to answer your original question, the various mfg's make plastic spacers of various widths just for this.  Also there are euro hinges that are designed to get the door completely out of the way minimizing the impact on drawer size.  Check out the web sites of the majors, Blum, Salice, Grass, etc.  They have planning guides that will walk you through it. 

But really, don't do it, make drawer fronts instead of doors.
 
Thanks for your advice sounds like you are very aware of what people want now days.  The cabinets are going to be built into the space below my miter saw tables left and right.  I wanted to build shallow drawers and use the drawers to hold Festool systainers.  I wanted the systainers behiond doors for dust reasons.  I like the idea of being able to open the doors and see 2-4 drawers of systainers.  If you have big drawers they would block the fronts of the syastainers then you cant tell which one it is without labeling the tops or every drawer front.  I also thought it would be cheaper and faster to make a big door than 2-4 drawer fronts.  I did go on line and find the drawer spacer  http://www.wwhardware.com/bainbridge-2-hole-plastic-drawer-slide-spacers-bx36double They are 32mm compatible and work with side mounted drawer slides.  Thanks again I am not a Pro and sometimes just finding the right terminology is what I need to find a part that may or may not exist.
 
Blum makes 155 degree Clip-Top Zero Protrusion Hinges for this purpose.

Blum Hinge

I used them for a cabinet with a pull-out shelf (for a keyboard) and was happy with them.  I imagine the other companies have something comparable.

Fred
 
The current popular term in the cabinet industry is 'sliding shelf' for very shallow shelves set far apart so that tall objects may be stored on them, such as Systainers.

Traditionally cabinet sections with doors do not hide drawers. The drawers in a lower cabinet were always on top of a shelf section with doors.

These days, for about the last couple of years, we are asked to make pantries and lower cabinets with full height doors hiding sliding shelves which do not have separate decorative drawer fronts.

The design solution can go in at least two directions. Plan 1 uses a combination of slides and hinges intended to work together without interference. My firm has several cabinet hardware vendors offering those products. Perhaps some are now available to DIY folks. Plan 2 is to carefully arrange the hinge locations so as to leave a clear space for the full extension side mount drawer slides. Except for tradition there is no actual engineering reason why in Euro-style frameless design hinges must be 80mm from the top and bottom. However, with sliding shelves usually the bottom set will clear below a hinge set at 80mm. If the top sliding shelf is intended to function as a knife drawer, then either the top hinge is set above that slide, or just below it.

My firm specializes in high-end cabinets. I find the trend even in the most expensive kitchens is to not hide the sliding shelves behind doors. We deal with that trend. It does save the client some money because custom cabinet doors are expensive, so making them is profitable. My concern is that at some point those open sliding shelves will be considered messy. Retrofitting an existing cabinet with sliding shelves to include doors is not very easy, unless when the 32mm holes were drilled for the drawer slides extras were drilled for potential hinges. A distressing trend these days is a requirement that only the minimum necessary shelf holes be drilled.
 
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