Getting into Festool

blappy

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I want to get into the Festool line, specifically I'm looking at

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[*]Dust Collection (Festool Dust Extractor CT MIDI BLUETOOTH HEPA (574837)
[*]Sanding (Festool ETS EC 150/5 EQ Random Orbital Sander (576339)
[*]Domino (Festool Domino DF 500 Set (576423)
[*]Tracksaw (TBD)
[*]Router (TBD)
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I'm coming into a limited but large (for me) bonus.  So I want to get a dust extractor and the sander.  Can't justify any Festool without the extractor (and to be honest it's the primary draw) and the sander seems like the best first tool to go with it.  Next bonus gets the Domino, I have a usable tracksaw and multiple routers... 

The big question I have is what "accessories" should I get at the same time, an example would be the bluetooth trigger (202098) for the end of the hose, I'm also seeing a systainer for abrasives (577110) and a Roll Board for Systainers (204869) just to move stuff around my "shop".

For people who are actually experienced users what are some other good accessories to get at the same time for that initial purchase?  I don't want to go back to my wife hey I need an additional 100 to get x or y or z for the next 3-5 months because I want an accessory I could have purchased in the big buy.

Also what is a "Self-clean Filter Bag" (204308) vs Festool Longlife Filter Bag (204309)?  And how does one know what accessories work for which tools?
 
[welcome] to the FOG.  [smile]

The MIDI is a great choice and I'd highly recommend the Blue Tooth button.

The ETS EC sanders are wonderful, they are a pleasure to use.

The DF 500...nothing more needs to be said.

As far as abrasives go, I much prefer purchasing a Systainer along with the correct insert and then filling the Systainer with the abrasive sheets I use most often. For instance, my 125 & 150 abrasive Systainers have about 6 discs each in the 40/60/80/100 grit region "just in case", but 80% of my disc usage is in the 120 to 280 grit range. The 577110 Systainer you mentioned has 40 discs in just the 60-80 range.

Also, while it's important not to skip grits on the lower end, once you get around the 120 range, I'd never follow the Festool Systainer 120-150-180-220-240 scenario. Especially for painted wood, I'd use the 120-180-240 grits...and the 150 and 220 grits would just sit around. Or I'd go in 100-150-220-280 steps.

Tool Nirvana offers a nice way to get just the grits of paper that you need. They can be purchased in a minimum of 5 each.
https://www.toolnirvana.com/collect...r-50-custom-abrasive-assortments-granat-50pcs
 
Welcome!  It would help to know a bit about your shop/what other tools you have.

I agree with you the BT button is extremely useful if you’re going to be extracting from any cordless tool.  Basically a must-have for me.  I use the button more than I use the plug-in capability of the vac.

Another must-have for me is a cyclone collector in front of my vac.  This really cuts down on bag usage.  Dust deputy, Dustright (Rockler), DIY all good options.  The Festool offering (CT-VA), which I have, is pricey - you’re paying for the stackability/compactness so that comes down to space and how important the systainer system is for you. 

The roll board is nice - I have many.  It’s also fairly trivial to build your own.  There are sellers on Etsy that sell 3d printed parts you can use for the systainer attachment points, so all you need are some casters and plywood. 

Definitely consider the hard pad and/or interface pads for the sander.  Depends what you’ll be sanding mostly, but the hard pad is nice when you want dead flat and the interface pad is great when you need a very forgiving touch. 

Personally, despite having a gazillion systainers, I’ve never gone the abrasive systainer route, but others swear by it, so YMMV.
 
I would pretty much echo what Cheese said as far as the tools and the sandpaper grit steps. The only possible variation I might introduce is about storing the sandpaper.
For me, it depends on what you actually make and how your shop is configured. If you are in "permanent" shop (meaning that you don't have to pack it all up to store a car in the garage) there may be more convenient ways to store it. However, if you ever need to be mobile, or do have to pack it up, the Systainer may work out better.
The Bluetooth is great.
If you get the DF500, get the tenon assortment along with it. That gets you every size of the tenons and the cutters to go with them.
 
Dust Collection
Welcome to the gateway of Festool; first time i used a Festool Dust Extractor, I understood why the green kool-aid is so tasty.

I can't comment on the CT MIDI specifically, but I have two AC 36's and the CTL Sys (plug in, not battery powered).
I got the first 36AC because I also got the Planex for Drywall, and you REALLY REALLY need the AC (Auto-clean) feature, which uses a different filter, for Drywall. I have a second one because i got it for a song on craigslist, with the caveat it was used in a Marijuana grow operation, so it has an "odor" when you use it, if you know what I mean lol.

I got the Long Life bag for the CTL Sys vac; honestly, I wouldn't bother with those; you lose the convenience of being able to take the disposable (204308) bags to the trash and avoid dealing with dust.

As commented, a cyclone is nice, and makes your bags last a LOT longer. I have the Oneida one (Ultimate Dust Deputy Systainer Cyclone Separator Kit) and I also have the Festool CT-VA 20 Cyclone (204083). I'm always doing projects around the house, and i have Systainer drawer tool boxes, etc on top of my dust collectors, turning them into tool cabinets, which is awesome. The Oneida separator is better, but you lose the ability to put systainers on top of the Extractor; the Festool Cyclone you can still stack on top of it, although you can start getting a little ridiculous in height. My Oneida one just sits in the shop now, and the Festool one is always on one of my extractors.

Sanding
I have a bunch of Festool sanders; DTS 400 (577520), RTS 400 (576054), ETS EC 150/3 (576326), RO 150 (576028), Planex 2.0 575994 and the original Planex.

The one you listed, the ETS EC 150/5, is just a larger orbit pattern compared to the 150/3 I have; slightly more aggressive than mine, but I can say, the ETS EC 150/3 was my first Festool sander; what a game changer. So comfortable for those long sanding sessions. Wont turn on, by default, if Dust extraction isn't hooked up, comfortable, dust extraction is amazing, etc. I used a 5" Dewalt for years; the Festool was like another enlightening moment.

The DTS and RTS are def "less" amazing, but they have purposes; corners and narrower pieces is the reason i got them. I've use them on floors, doors, drywall, etc etc. BONUS: The sanding block (496962), hooks up to dust extraction, and uses the same paper as the RTS 400; I use it all the time for things like drywall touchups where it just needs a tiny bit of sanding, and no dust.

Domino
As other folks have said, I don't even think this needs justification. Absolute game changer. As a parent with two young kids, where shop time is super valuable, it saves so much time vs traditional Mortise/Tenon methods. You will find yourself using it cuz, why the hell not. I have been putting up new trim around Doors and Windows, and the 500, just for alignment, is fantastic.

Anyone who goes on about how it's "cheating" can go lick a frozen flag pole. I've had exactly zero people I've built something for say to me "omg, you cheated with Domino". I get it if you are doing through tenons for something traditional, but 99.999% of the time no one cares. Ive inter-mixed it with through tenons in a piece.

I have the 700; I got it, with the Seneca adaptor for 500 bits, thinking I can just use this for everything; Yeah, it works, but honestly, the 500 is what I reach for 98% of the time; I haven't used my 700 in a LONG time since getting the 500. Don't get me wrong, the 700 is great, making full size doors for example, but the 500 is definitely more bang for the buck.

I built a bunch of systainer cabinets using the Domino Connector Set (576797). I gotta say, its pretty friggin cool. I build them all out of Melamine ($50 a sheet at HD) and it worked great. It will allow me to break them all down in the future if I ever move, and take them with me. Only other system that competes with it from what I have seen is the Lamello stuff, but I don't do enough to justify the Lamello (remind me one day I said that...)

Tracksaw
I have the TSC 55 KEB (576717) and the TS 75 (576118).
The TSC 55 KEB is the one with the thinner blade. Its cordless, and fantastic. I use this 99% of the time. This, with the MFT's and STM 1800, breaking down sheet goods is a dream. Only comment I would make is yeah, the cordless thing is great, but I ALWAYS hook mine up to dust extraction anyways; so if it was corded? I don't think it would be that detrimental. The small bag that comes with it for dust works great, but fills up fast.

I bought the TS 75 with the same thoughts as the Domino 700; I can just use this for everything. The 75 is great, and i needed to cut some thicker stuff which came in handy, but I felt it was a little "off", and i know there are some threads on here about fixing that, but I honestly haven't used it in so long since getting the cordless 55, I haven't even looked at how to fiddle with that.

Router
I have em all; MFK 700, OF1010 (original one), OF1400 and OF2200.

If I had to only have one, it would be the OF1400. It has power for most tasks, can hook up to the LR32 system, great dust extraction, and can do all the shank sizes.

As far as use; lately i've used the MFK 700 the most; just so much easier to single hand for quick round overs, and I have the base for trimming edge banding from the Conturo. The MFK 700 would be my close second for must have router.

The 1010 is a great router, just not first on the "to have" list, since the 1400 can do everything it can (LR32 system). I got it for a good price is the only reason i have it, and basically just use it for LR32 and if on a project my 1400 is chucked up with a bit and setting i don't want to mess with.

I got my 2200 for a song as well; my buddy was buying another tool off Craigslist, and the guy had a brand new 2200, never used and accepted a good offer. He also included the systainer accessory kit with all the bases. I have literally not used it yet. This purchase was because the price he wanted was way too good to pass up AND I have an addiction.

I got all my routers from someone on Craigslist for crazy good prices. All of them were never even used, all but 2200 were in a Classic systainer. They looked like they were purchased circa 2009-11, and i came into possession in 2021. I can confirm that an unused Festool kept in it's systainer maintains that Fresh Brand new Festool smell (Yes, Festool gear has a smell)

Other Points
Bluetooth remote - You would have to pry them from my cold dead hands.

I just started using Granat on the Rotex (Still going through a big supply of Klingspor paper). Klingspor is good, but Granat, holy crap. I will be replenishing I think with Granat when the time comes. Having the papers in a systainer is really nice.

I don't have any Roll Boards, but I do have a Sys Roll (498660). I love it, easy to roll my tools around wherever i'm working, and you can kinda "pull" it up stairs, has this plastic bumper material in the back.

As stated above, I personally wouldn't bother with the Longlife Filter bag.

If First purchase is Sander and Dust extractor, def get the bluetooth remote, extra bags. As far as a sander, i know the Rotex 150 "can" do the random orbit sanding in one mode, other mode is "rip your face off" mode. It could fill the role of being a very aggressive sander and a finish sander (instead of the ETS EC 150/5). I have never used the Rotex for anything other than aggressive mode though. You are on the money though, Dust Extractor is key for all the other tools.
 
live4ever said:
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Another must-have for me is a cyclone collector in front of my vac.  This really cuts down on bag usage.  Dust deputy, Dustright (Rockler), DIY all good options.  The Festool offering (CT-VA), which I have, is pricey - you’re paying for the stackability/compactness so that comes down to space and how important the systainer system is for you. 
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For the CT-VA: (as an owner of one)

For a home/hobby user I would suggest save money and buy just the CT-VA cyclone unit itself (all the black pieces) as spare parts and make one's own bucket/chassis for it. The price of the cyclone parts themselves is very reasonable and one gets a compact, fully anti-static assembly to boot.

The full unit is certainly worth it for someone moving it a lot, very light and portable, but those properties are wasted for a hobby user in a shop.
 
Welcome [member=81784]blappy[/member]! You'll be so glad you made the leap and won't ever look back. Like you, the dust extraction got me hooked and I've never regretted a single purchase.

I agree with all that's been said so I won't go into much detail on the advice you've already been given. The only thing I would add is investing in an MFT (or two!). That and the track saw has revolutionized my accuracy and just made building more fun.

Share some pictures of your setup once you get started, and again, WELCOME!

 
The dust extractor and sander are great first choices.  I started with a DE and a track saw and quickly got the sander.  The Festool sanders are much less fatiguing to hands and wrists than the cheap alternatives I had before.

Definitely get a hard pad for your sander if you are going to be doing things like face frames or cabinet doors.  It makes it much easier not to round them over.  A grit selection is nice.

For the dust extractor, I would recommend getting a cleaning kit and bluetooth.  Having the cleaning kit with the systainer is very helpful.  If you are planning on using the vac with a track saw or router, then you'll definitely want to have the 36mm hose as well and the cleaning kits are the best way to buy it.  I have a cleaning kit that came in a large systainer, but moved everything to a systainer 2 for space; and always use the 36mm hose with an adapter.

I would wait on the roller board until you are really into the tools.  I have 4 or 5 of them, but they are pricey and until you have stacks of systainers that you want to move from place to place not worth it.
 
I think I'm going to maybe go against the grain here.

Festool vac yes. No argument.

Sander yes if you like that pad size. I prefer 5" so I'm all in on the 125.

Systainer for sandpaper... that's a wallet lightener. Unless you're like a mobile on site guy. I keep my sandpaper in boxes they come in and three grits in the systainer with the sander. You can easily make a holder too for the shop.

Bluetooth yes no question.

Cyclone I dunno. I have it and it's good mostly but makes moving the vac around the house up down stairs enough of a nuisance. Strictly shop based I like it. I got by with just bags and hobbyist use of track saw and router just fine for years.

And finally... router. 1400. Love it. Would replace tomorrow if I lost it. I've owned and sold the 1010 and 2200.

Oh and look at TrackTubes. They released a new top and extrusions that pair up nicely in the system. Real world experience it beats the pants off the mft3 when paired with an aftermarket hinge and fence.
 
As Jason's YouTube precisely matches my Festool-intro I'll let him do the talking:


I recently added a Domino (after hand-cutting M&T, and good but far less efficient Rockler beadlock) and as everyone says it is truly a game changer!
 
DynaGlide said:
And finally... router. 1400. Love it. Would replace tomorrow if I lost it. I've owned and sold the 1010 and 2200.

Oh and look at TrackTubes. They released a new top and extrusions that pair up nicely in the system. Real world experience it beats the pants off the mft3 when paired with an aftermarket hinge and fence.

Yeah, I can totally understand the selling the 1010 and 2200; I'm an addict though, so I still have em.

And why, WHY did you just introduce me to this TrackTubes thing?!?!? Bye bye money.
 
[member=65062]DynaGlide[/member] may have his reasons, which he didn't explain, but I would caution anyone about dismissing the OF1010 without testing one first. You don't need a 1/2" shank bit for everything and the OF1010 is ergonomically identical to the OF1400, at considerably less weight. It's not that the OF1400 is cumbersome, but comparatively, the OF1010 is more sleek. It is able to fit 8mm shank bits and is very capable on its own.
I like mine so well that I bought a second one, when the up-dated version was released a year or so ago.

I have not taken the plunge into the OF2200...yet. In general, if I need a bigger router, I go to the router table, which holds the big 3 1/4 HP Triton. However, if I came across a deal on a used one? probably
 
Ebuwan said:
Anyone who goes on about how it's "cheating" can go lick a frozen flag pole.

TBF, almost all the complaints about Dominos are to the price for a single purpose tool. When Ryobi comes out with their copy I’m sure everyone will want one.

As for cheating, that’s where the CNC lives.
 
[member=81784]blappy[/member]

Self-clean filter bag is simply their fancy term for the disposable ones.  Long life is made of fabric and has a velcroed end to clear it out.  In the past I have proposed an unofficial motto for Festool: "Our vacuum bag costs more than your vacuum."

On the bags, keep in mind there are cheaper aftermarket versions of both the regular bags and the long life ones.  5 pack for CT26 of powertech is $22, and the aftermarket long life bag a bit over $100.

I had the unfortunate experience of burning a hole in the long life bag for my CT26 after I mistakenly sucked up some embers, and so I have not gone back to them for my large vac (still have one for the CT-Sys), especially with the reduced cost of the aftermarket disposable ones.

As for accessories, I would actually think first about workholding capabilities for things like sanding or domino-ing.  Do you have a bench or perhaps a way to get a hole-patterned worksurface?
 
Crazyraceguy said:
...but I would caution anyone about dismissing the OF 1010 without testing one first. You don't need a 1/2" shank bit for everything and the OF 1010 is ergonomically identical to the OF 1400, at considerably less weight. It's not that the OF 1400 is cumbersome, but comparatively, the OF 1010 is more sleek. It is able to fit 8mm shank bits and is very capable on its own.
I like mine so well that I bought a second one, when the up-dated version was released a year or so ago.

Ya...amen. [smile] I started with the usual Milwaukee and PC routers and purchased the normal/requisite 1/2" diameter router bits. I've got a ton of those bits, and then I purchased the 1010...suddenly it seemed silly to use such large router bits to mill such small features. At that moment I realized I was using a 32 oz hammer to drive a nail that a 12 oz hammer would be better suited for.

I'd never sell my 1010 because it is my go-to router 80% of the time. I may just ditch the 1400 because of the guide bushing issues and if I still needed a router for the 1/2" shaft router bits, then I'd just use the 2200.

With the recent updates to the 1010, I'm thinking about moving up to the 1010 R version.
 
To clear up... the dewalt cordless trim router with 8mm collet has replaced the 1010 for me. I have two and will get a third. It's more convenient for lr32 work than any of festool offering.

If more 8mm shank bits were readily available I would look more seriously at the 1010 for everyday tasks that require 1/2" shank. I know 8mm can be had but rarely from the companies I like, ie whiteside, which my local woodcraft carries
 
DynaGlide said:
To clear up... the dewalt cordless trim router with 8mm collet has replaced the 1010 for me. I have two and will get a third. It's more convenient for lr32 work than any of festool offering.

If more 8mm shank bits were readily available I would look more seriously at the 1010 for everyday tasks that require 1/2" shank. I know 8mm can be had but rarely from the companies I like, ie whiteside, which my local woodcraft carries

The 8mm shank is a valid point, but it is getting better all the time. Even Woodpeckers is getting involved there.
I get the alternative thing, with the DeWalt, but I don't like them. The diameter of the body is just too much for a supposedly "small" trim router. Makita is the one for me there, but they have their issues too.
In cases where bit depth is not super critical, like a flush trim or pattern bit, they are great. The depth adjustment (or even holding) is not so great, but that's why I have over 20 routers (that and I have a problem)
For those critical depth cuts, I go straight for the OF1010. Yes, [member=44099]Cheese[/member] the R version is superior. Not only for the dust extraction port, but they moved the depth stop turret to the opposite side (like the OF1400) making bit changes far easier. I would like to have seen the ratchet too, but maybe it needs to be too big to fit and still be strong enough?

I had them both running yesterday, with different bits and copy rings to get two different diameter holes from one template/setup. My apprentice/trainee had never seen such a thing. It's kind of fun to be seen as some kind of genius for such simple stuff.  [big grin]
I had a bunch of these to do on some big semi-circular shelves. They get suspended from the ceiling by metal tubing, which fits in the upper recess, and a threaded rod through the middle

 

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festool is a system. The core of the system is a MFT, CT, and TS55. You'll need various lengths of guide rails, guide rail connectors and clamps.

After that its job by job and job specific. routing, sanding etc etc are all job specific
 
As everyone else has said get the BT setup for what ever extractor you get - you will find that all other vacuums are lacking once you use it.....

As for me ( once you start down the rabbit hole it doesnt end)  i wish i had purchased the LR32 guide rail as my first one, rather than a normal rail or the one with designed for the sticky tabs (they are all still in the original bag, i have not used one of them in 2 years).

And clamps LOTS of clamps :) - the festool ratchet ones are awesome, dont be put of by the price like i was for a couple of years, they are much quicker than the normal screw type - just slightly more expensive but worth it.
 
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