Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool

[The Interior Cafe]

Hi there!

Thanks for all the subscribers that are interested in this product!
I appreciate the feedback on this forum and i can explain you a bit more about the dowel.

It is a 2 pieces dowel which will be drilled with the widest setting on the machine.
One piece has a 12mm dept and the other a 28mm dept, the standard settings on your machine.

To attach the dowel to your workpieces, 2 screws are used to tighten it in the hole (delivers with the dowels)
To connect the 2 dowels with each other, same kind of screw is used by pre-drilling a 5 mm whole in your workpieces (kind of the same way as the lamello P-system)

The dowel will be manufactured in Finland to assure high quality.
I cannot give more information at this point due to protection.

The idea of this dowel came with he fact that i LOVE my festool tools and was in the need of using the Domino joiner but needed dowels that could be assembled without glue. There where 2 other options, the lamello P-system (which requires a new Lamello joiner, or using RTA- connectors (which requires a new dowel joiner for example Mafell). A little bit on the drawing board and some 3D printers did the trick...

I hope you guys have enough information for now! Good idea from some members to point out more info on the one-pager website.
I will arrange that. I am also looking daily on this forum, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Wim Pauwels

 

 

[Nippychippy]

Thanks for a bit more info about the product. Do you have an estimated date of release and cost wise

Thanks robert

 

[The Interior Cafe]

Thanks for a bit more info about the product. Do you have an estimated date of release and cost wise

Thanks robert

We hope to get the first batches being shipped out beginning of March 2016. Still working on the final retail price with the manufacturer. As soon as we have the final number. We will let you know.

Wim Pauwels

 

[neeleman]

Did you contact Festool Germany about your intentions of bringing out a glue-less Domino?

 

[Kev]

I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

 

[The Interior Cafe]

I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

Hi Kev,

We are not forcing anybody to like it and we hope to get as much feedback as possible 
We cannot give a lot information free at the moment because of the model protection.

Unfortunately making a 90° mitre joint is not going to be possible with this one due to its size.
If we need to make it smaller then it is not going to be strong enough.

Regarding the language, i am not a English speaking native so please forgive me for any incorrect words/translations.
In Finnish we call the Domino also a wooden dowel, although it is wider then the traditional round dowel.

Br,

Wim

 

[Kev]

I'm still on the fence regarding intent ... shouldn't a fan of Festool know the difference between a floating tenon and a dowel in any language?

Based on the description provided, the really attractive proposition the Lamella Clamex offers for a 90o mitre joint is not addressed ... so I'm currently in the "watching, but not interested" camp!

Hi Kev,

We are not forcing anybody to like it and we hope to get as much feedback as possible 
We cannot give a lot information free at the moment because of the model protection.

Unfortunately making a 90° mitre joint is not going to be possible with this one due to its size.
If we need to make it smaller then it is not going to be strong enough.

Regarding the language, i am not a English speaking native so please forgive me for any incorrect words/translations.
In Finnish we call the Domino also a wooden dowel, although it is wider then the traditional round dowel.

Br,

Wim

[member=59835]The Interior Cafe[/member]

Thanks Wim, your response significantly impacts my concerns regarding intent and credibility [smile]

I personally think the hidden 90o mitre joint is the golden chalice for knock down furniture.

 

[The Interior Cafe]

The 90° mitre joint would make it indeed perfect, i fully agree on that.
We will also do hardcore testing to see if it will succeed and it fills the needs of the purpose.

If it works out 100% we hope this will be a nice addition for connectors. If it doesn't work, at least we tried 

Br,

Wim

 

[jmbfestool]

Hi there!

Thanks for all the subscribers that are interested in this product!
I appreciate the feedback on this forum and i can explain you a bit more about the dowel.

It is a 2 pieces dowel which will be drilled with the widest setting on the machine.
One piece has a 12mm dept and the other a 28mm dept, the standard settings on your machine.

To attach the dowel to your workpieces, 2 screws are used to tighten it in the hole (delivers with the dowels)
To connect the 2 dowels with each other, same kind of screw is used by pre-drilling a 5 mm whole in your workpieces (kind of the same way as the lamello P-system)

The dowel will be manufactured in Finland to assure high quality.
I cannot give more information at this point due to protection.

The idea of this dowel came with he fact that i LOVE my festool tools and was in the need of using the Domino joiner but needed dowels that could be assembled without glue. There where 2 other options, the lamello P-system (which requires a new Lamello joiner, or using RTA- connectors (which requires a new dowel joiner for example Mafell). A little bit on the drawing board and some 3D printers did the trick...

I hope you guys have enough information for now! Good idea from some members to point out more info on the one-pager website.
I will arrange that. I am also looking daily on this forum, so if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Wim Pauwels

Instead of having screws could it not be possible to have a push fit.

So the domino is on a pivot which is laying flat as you life the domino up it expands the fitting inside the domino in its width.  Which then holds it on place.

Very much like how blum do it with their draw bars.

 

[jmbfestool]

Like this but a domino version.

These blum gallery rods push in and lock once you pull the bar up.

They hold really well ive tried to pull one out. Very strong.

A domino is bigger so if blum can pack it in a small round fitting im sure this can be done by a domino.  So the domino would expand in its width not thickness because that could break the edge if the board.

 

[Cheese]

Ran across this the other day, does anyone have experience using the Omni=Joint system? The 90 degree capability seems pretty handy for certain apps. Swiss made.
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https://vimeo.com/133812463

 

[jmbfestool]

Ran across this the other day, does anyone have experience using the Omni=Joint system? The 90 degree capability seems pretty handy for certain apps. Swiss made.
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https://vimeo.com/133812463

Maybe im missing something??? You might aswell use a screw??

Especially when they demonstrate using it on a mid rail.  It has a fixing going through the side.

So not sure its worth the hassle??

 

[Davej]

Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
Dave

 

[Holmz]

Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
Dave

I think you covered it.

 

[Cheese]

Just curious if anyone had hands-on experience with the item. I was curious to the amount of structural integrity the system added to the final product. It's pretty easy to add some large wood dowels/Dominos and glue, to a wood frame and when it's cured you have a pretty stiff structure. Trying to achieve the same results with stainless rod, screws and no adhesive, could prove to be a more daunting task. Although, I guess you could use glue on the wood interfaces. But that would eliminate the option that it could be used for knock-down applications.

Interesting that they're focusing on it being used in the commercial window making and door making business. Specifically targeting Euro style windows (like hoppers) & doors. There's a lot of weight that needs to be kept in check, especially when using triple glazing.

 

[greg mann]

Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
Dave

I think you covered it.

It is very possible for this hardware being capable of pulling the joint together and with great force, If the set screw hole is slightly offset to the mating taper. Think draw boring. This looks like it is designed for components made via CNC. Drilling the holes precisely would be very difficult and time consuming as a manual operation but quite easy on CNC with right angle head capability (read high end and expensive). The observation of heavy window construction is dead on. Glue might not even be necessary .

 

[Holmz]

The other goodness is that it can be taken apart...
So one could test it out prior to glue up or be able to replace in the inset piece.

But at that point is it better than an Invis or a screw or some other dowel (IKEA) like fastener.

Using a Clamp-X rather than a biscuit this weekend, it makes sense when one needs to pull apart the piece to add a feature.

 

[smiley99er]

I like the concept but I'd be more inclined to buy if this was a pre glued domino where you just use water to activate the glue. To me more hassle then my current set up. Just my 2 cents

 

[The Interior Cafe]

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Hello!

Its time for a little update! We have had now the first test pieces from a few different manufacturers to see which one will work out best. Good news is that all of them worked out and most of them past all the tests!

We have now two final manufacturers to choose from that will produce the glue-less Domino.

After we have chosen then right manufacturer, we will start with making the product photo's and videos ASAP! With the launch of the product photo's and videos we will start with the pre-order of the Dominofix® and we have a special surprise for all you subscribers!

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Have a nice work week and enjoy tooling around!

 

[ajones]

Funny... Golden chalice and knockdown furniture are two things you would not expect in one sentence.