Goods from Banggood

[ChuckM]

Despite your long prose, your previous statement about patent claims is still not true.

You're essentially repeating yourself with this: "Woodworking tools have been around for as long as man walked the earths surface. There are very few new inventions in woodworking tools so most have no patent or the patent expired years ago."

Repeating something many times doesn't make it a fact.

 

[lwoirhaye]

Woodpeckers for example does not patent many of their designs AFAIK, Lee Valley certaily does. Woodworking inventor Mark Duginske does. He has a lot, perhaps some on things you've owned. He wrote the English manual/guide for the INCA machines in the 1980s I believe and knows his stuff. I think he invented cool blocks for example.

I have a book I have read called "How To License Your Million Dollar Idea" where the author discusses getting it out on the market quick and at volume, making your money at the front end, because even if you do get a patent preventing competitors from either making straight knockoffs or stuff that solves the same problems cheaper will happen pretty quick.

Recently I saw a Kickstarter of a lift table with a sliding thing so you put your heavy stuff on it, crank it up, then slide it into your truck bed. It's not that clever really and overpriced imo but within thirty seconds of looking into it I found a Chinese maker had beat them to market with one that was electronic, motorized instead, a more attractive product to many I imagine, and I found it far cheaper than the Kickstarter's launch price. I told them and they were like "uhh, we couldn't find anything online" so I sent them a picture and they said "uhh, we had our thing made in China and they must have stolen our idea and ours is better and we're going to talk to our lawyer".

I dunno. I think they are up the creek before they've even got it into production...


btw, Festool and Kreg imitated track saw system ideas first introduced/invented by Dino of Eurekazone, which faded into obscurity after and eventually shut down.

 

[Woodenfish]

Despite your long prose, your previous statement about patent claims is still not true.

You're essentially repeating yourself with this: "Woodworking tools have been around for as long as man walked the earths surface. There are very few new inventions in woodworking tools so most have no patent or the patent expired years ago."

Repeating something many times doesn't make it a fact.

Have you been to the Banggood website yet? If so, where’s the beef?

 

[ChuckM]

Why are you still obsessed with Banggood in your replies? My first response to your post and subsequent comments have nothing to do with that website or company.

 

[Vondawg]

Im with you @ChuckM ….this is getting weird

 

[Woodenfish]

Why are you still obsessed with Banggood in your replies? My first response to your post and subsequent comments have nothing to do with that website or company.

Because if Jonathan Katz-Moses can see the value of a Chinese woodworking tool manufacturer, the quality of their tools, their reputation and become a partner I take notice. Banggood is the best outlet to acquire many other of their fine items. Your lack of insight into the company should not be a concern for anyone who reads your comments. It would be beneficial for the discussion if you have something to contribute other than a predetermined negativity.

 

[ChuckM]

Omg. Still about Banggood???!!! I give up.

 

[Mini Me]

Omg. Still about Banggood???!!! I give up.

The first posts in this thread discussed Chinese websites such as Alibaba so maybe that is the reason and maybe the thread title is a hint also.

 

[ChuckM]

That's not how things work naturally in forums (of any kind).

When we discuss something in this forum, we often divert or bring up other things in the thread regardless of its title or heading. The patent claim/infringement is clearly one of the topics being discussed under this forum thread.

Anyway, there's no point to continue a discussion when the other party seems to insist on talking about something else -- deliberately or not.

 

[Coen]

So, to the western world, the Chinese violate intellectual property laws, but to the Chinese government it is business as usual.

The whole system of patents was made up by those who were ahead... to stay ahead.

My country, the Netherlands, was one of the last to recognize that whole patent bs. Philips got big here by freely violating and improving upon foreign patents. Now Philips complains the Chinese don't respect their patents...

In my view the 99% bottom line of the whole patent system is that lawyers get rich and engineering talent is wasted trying to work around existing patents.

And look at what kind of nonsense even gets patents... or companies sue over; Apple claims to have invented "slide to unlock" which is nothing more than a touchscreen version of a door latch that has existed since before the birth of Christ.

I'd rather buy things from companies that knowing or unknowingly violate patents than those that patent such obvious nonsense.

As for Banggood; from what I know from last ordering there years ago; it's a platform site. Some quality stuff is sold there, some rubbish is sold there. What I got was top quality.

 

[Woodenfish]

Omg. Still about Banggood???!!! I give up.

Go back to this threads first page and read what the title and first post was all about. The only people here that took it off of proper discussion were those who inferred that the tools were copycats because they violated copyright or intellectual property which are all wrong statements. Some even went on to make apples to oranges arguments which made no reasonable sense in the discussion. I tried to help you but you are help resistant based upon having what appears to be a closed mind. I’m sad to see you throwing in the towel first rather than admitting you made an error of judgment.

Personally, I’m not a fan of the Chinese government at all. BangGood offers many unique woodworking tools of good to great quality that I found to be sourced at the best price. Had these same exact tools been privately labeled for import by Favorite Brand Big Tool Company and sold where most folks shop for tools none of this would be an issue.

 

[luvmytoolz]

I've bought off Banggood many times and have been exceptionally happy with the quality, and especially the cost. Living in OZ we don't have much choice than to buy from the likes of Ali/Banggood as everything else that's imported is over the top ridiculously priced.

For example some of our local suppliers are now distributing TSO's products which is great, not so great is that the AUD cost is over 3 x the US cost! Even allowing for conversion that's still obscene price gouging.

 

[Woodenfish]

TSO products are ridiculously high here in the US too.

 

[Mini Me]

I've bought off Banggood many times and have been exceptionally happy with the quality, and especially the cost. Living in OZ we don't have much choice than to buy from the likes of Ali/Banggood as everything else that's imported is over the top ridiculously priced.

For example some of our local suppliers are now distributing TSO's products which is great, not so great is that the AUD cost is over 3 x the US cost! Even allowing for conversion that's still obscene price gouging.

Speaking as a former commercial importer of Clearvue Cyclones I can honestly say that the import costs are huge even under a Free Trade Agreement and the money for the goods has to be forked out months before they are received. I had a retailer call me one day and he tried to tell me I was selling too cheaply and doing the wrong thing by the retail trade as my markup was too low. He wanted me to continue importing them as Clearvue would not talk to him and mark them up the same as my then current retail price and he would in turn mark them up again for his retail profit and that is exactly the reason things cost so much here or anywhere else. The conversation lasted an hour and he was very unhappy when I refused to agree with his proposal on all counts. Importing costs insane amounts of money and if you could see the invoices I used to get you would understand why stuff costs so much even with the minimum number of steps involved. It used to take me months to organise a consignment with phone calls every day to the US to keep things moving along and this was only a small side business while I worked a full time job to put food on the table for my family.

 

[Coen]

not so great is that the AUD cost is over 3 x the US cost! Even allowing for conversion that's still obscene price gouging.

Well, it seems almost everything in Australia is?

 

[luvmytoolz]

Well, it seems almost everything in Australia is?

Which is why Ali/Banggood/Temu and similar sites do so well here, plus for reasons I can't explain, cheap stuff from China can often get here faster than stuff from a neighboring state at times, so the wait time is nowhere near like it used to be buying from Asia.

 

[Mini Me]

We are part of Asia and it is logical to shop in Asia when the AUD so low against the USD. When the two currencies were at parity shopping elsewhere was not a problem (pre Covid) but now freight costs are a huge obstacle so we shop where the freight deals are more palatable and that is from Asia and inevitably PRC. Hong Kong was a big supplier as well before their Chinese overlords stepped in and changed things. Taiwan seems to be more a supplier to Manufacturers especially machine suppliers from other countries and their quality levels are more consistent in that sphere.